He did back it with Scripture principals...you just didn't like the outcome.
In Moderation....
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by ShotGunWillie, Sep 22, 2009.
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Thanks, Webdog. I did indeed back it up with scriptural support.
Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding.
Jesus served wine at the Last Supper.
Jesus ate food and drank wine with sinners to the point he was accused of being a glutton and drunkard.
Scripture invites people to drink wine with a merry heart
Scripture says wine makes the heart of men glad
Scripture says having wine settles the stomach.
If a liberal view is noting what scripture so plainly says, then by all means, pour me a drink. It's clear, however, that scripture allows alcohol. SO allowing persons to consume it is a conservative position. Taking the position that scripture commands total abstinence means one would have to pretend these verses dont' exist. Therefore, commanding abstinence is the liberal position. -
Which side of the debate do you want me on? I can make an argument either way.
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Scripture permits the consumption of alcoholic beverages, but does not permit drunkenness. Drunkenness is categorically a sin. The simple act of consumign alcohol is not.
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1st Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable All things are lawful, but not all things edify.
1st Corinthians 10:28-31
28 But if anyone says to you, "This is meat sacrificed to idols," do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience' sake;
29 I mean not your own conscience, but the other man's; for why is my freedom judged by another's conscience?
30 If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks?
31 Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
I see nothing at all wrong with drinking some. If a Christian thinks that Christians shouldn't drink, then those of us that have no issues about it shouldn't push it on them though.
I have NOT found a single verse, line or phrase that says you cant drink at all. But plenty about the dangers and sins of being a drunk. So yes, this is something to be done in moderation as I see it.
There is a HUGE difference between a person having a few drinks, and someone laying face down in the gutter covered in their own vomit and whatever else. :laugh: -
So therefore I can argue that since I am a priest and always in the presence of the Lord, alcolhol would be forbidden me.
I can also make a point that since a large number of Christian people beleive associate alcolhol with drunkeness, it would be better for me to abstain for the sake of my weaker brothers and sisters.
Or I could just say, "I don't care what they think, I'm going to do it my way." It is much more important to have a glass of wine than to consider someone else." -
Another stance could be that since the Bible does forbid drunkeness. How much alcohol makes you drunk? Three glasses of wine? Four? Maybe five?
If so, how much drunkeness is permitted? Can I be 50% drunk and still be a witness for Christ? Maybe 25%? How much?
To be perfectly honest with you I do not have a stance one way or the other on this subject. Since i don't drink, it really doesn't affect me much. However, it is not quite as open and shut as many think on either side. -
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The same can be asked of how much food one can eat before qualifying as gluttony. The same can be asked of how much rest one can take before qualifying as sloth.
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So I ask, "Does the bible permit 25% drunkeness?" -
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Mark 7
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. -
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And by the way, I agree that these are problems that the church needs to address and are sins.
However, drunkeness has an imediate affect. I can become drunk in just a few minutes. -
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Johny,
Do you believe in the Priesthood of the believer?
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