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  1. CalTech

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    Greetings!

    I would like the Disciples of the Lord, who are His "Spiritual" children, state in what affairs of life should we be concerned with?

    Should Disciples of Christ serve in the worldly Military?

    Should Disciples of Christ serve in ANY Governmental office or service?

    Should Disciples of Christ concern themselves with "Public protesting" against evil?

    Should Disciples of Christ be concerned with voting?

    These are just a few one needs to consider. What are the Lord's and the Apostles teaching on these topic's? Also One must give scriptural foundation in support of or against the above topic's......

    Let us remember to do ALL things in the Spirit of meekness, humility, gentleness, and patient enduring because this is ALL Pleasing unto our Lord.
    Let us also remember this is for our edification, teaching us to make sure we are doing everything that is acceptable and pleasing to our Lord for His Glory, and our good.

    Rom_12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
    Rom_12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
    Eph_5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
    1Pe_2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.



    Let the Lord be Praised!

    The Lord bless you....
    In His Love....

     
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    "Don't be so heavenly minded that you're no earthly good".
     
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    :Thumbsup:Thumbsup... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Actively for life?
    No, but I did for a time...If I had it to do again, I probably would not.

    However, Cornelius, for example, was called by God while he was in the Roman legions,
    and I think it's probable that many of God's children come from backgrounds such as that.
    No.
    But again, it's probable that many of God's children did serve in that capacity at some point.

    The Ethiopian eunuch comes to mind, as do Daniel and his three friends.
    Also, Esther was queen of Media and Persia, while Moses was brought up in the house of Pharoah.

    Joseph served as second over Egypt under the Pharoah of the time, and David was king of Israel, as was Solomon.
    Definitely not.
    I do not believe so, which is why I do not.
     
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    I see the above answered by these, as well as others:

    " Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
    4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."
    ( 2 Timothy 2:3-4 ).

    " If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
    2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
    3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
    4 When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."
    ( Colossians 3:1-4 ).

    " Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
    15 and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
    16 and what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
    18 and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
    ( 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 ).

    " Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
    16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
    17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."
    ( 1 John 2:15-17 ).

    To me, "loving the world" is caring about it overly much, and getting unnecessarily involved with it to the point of trying to change how it is.
    The Lord Jesus did not do this by example, nor did He ever encourage it.

    In fact, quite the opposite:

    " Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." ( John 18:36 )

    We as believers are not "of" this world and its ways...
    We are "of" the world to come.



    May God bless you in many ways.:)
     
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    Greetings,

    Yes, I see, well how about this.

    You can be so Worldly minded, that you do not serve any Heavenly Good to sinner's on earth!

    And I can back that up with scriptures, as I did in the original posting, can you back up your "thought" with scriptures?

    Didn't think so.....

    The Lord bless you....
    In His Love....
     
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    Greetings,

    I shall give you the same response as I did to "kyrednick":

    "You can be so Worldly minded, that you do not serve any Heavenly Good to sinner's on earth!"

    And I can back that up with scriptures, as I did in the original posting, can you back up your "thought" with scriptures?

    The Lord bless you.....
    In His Love....
     
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    Greetings,

    "Actively for life?"
    "No, but I did for a time...If I had it to do again, I probably would not."

    "However, Cornelius, for example, was called by God while he was in the Roman legions,
    and I think it's probable that many of God's children come from backgrounds such as that."


    Yes, I can understand, not for life "if" you had already participated, thank the Lord you would not do it again.
    Many have enlisted, or been drafted because the flock were never taught differently from the "traditional", and worldly view of what Jesus Christ expected from His disciples. They were led in error.
    Yes, Cornelius was saved while he was involved with the Roman legion's, There is no mention that he did actually stay on, or that he departed. However, we need to take into consideration I don't think he would have stayed on, since he would have to arrest and kill the follower's of Christ as a disciple of Christ! To do so, would have been betrayal to Jesus Christ Himself.
    I do know that "Cornelius" was and is still used to "justify" wrongfully, I might add, pastor's license to encourage the Lord's sheep to enlist or be drafted.

    Should Disciples of Christ serve in ANY Governmental office or service?

    Your answer: "No.
    "But again, it's probable that many of God's children did serve in that capacity at some point."

    "The Ethiopian eunuch comes to mind, as do Daniel and his three friends."
    "Also, Esther was queen of Media and Persia, while Moses was brought up in the house of Pharoah."

    "Joseph served as second over Egypt under the Pharoah of the time, and David was king of Israel, as was Solomon".

    I totally agree with your definitive "NO". I have come to understand that we are in no manner to seek public office of any sort.
    Jesus Christ and His Apostles never taught otherwise, because they were in essence, in their teaching, desiring a full "Separation of Church and State"!

    Now as for the other's you mentioned, in your response, who had various "positions" in the Old Testament, we need to remember they were ALL in the Old Testament, at varying stages of the establishment of the Nation of Israel, and that is also when the Nation of Israel was to be a "light" amongst the pagan's that ruled the world, for God's Glory to be revealed, and feared. So the Old has no judicial placement in the New, for the Old and Nation of Israel was establishing God's kingdom on earth to prepare the "world" for the coming Messiah and His establishment of a Heavenly Kingdom for the salvation of the lost, and which would eventually rule from Israel during the Millennial Kingdom.

    "Should Disciples of Christ concern themselves with "Public protesting" against evil?"

    Your answer: "Definitely not".

    100% agreement, it took the Lord some year's to get me to see this and accept it, by His Grace. Most of the time when the "Church" got involved with "Abortion issues", and now protesting the lockdown's, mask, the death jab's, "the Marches for Jesus" back in the 90's, they ALL ended up being ecumenical, coming together for the "good" of the world! They all ended in compromise. Again we are not to get involved with the "affairs" of this world.

    And finally:
    "Should Disciples of Christ be concerned with voting?"
    I do not believe so, which is why I do not.


    I have never voted in the USA, and only once in Canada back in the very early 80's, I did so because at that time I did not have the Lord's Kingdom view on the matter. I do now, have not voted since the 80's, how can I vote for wicked men? It just can not be.

    Thank you for your response!

    The Lord bless you....
    In His Love...
     
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    Greetings,

    THANK YOU.....THANK YOU....THANK YOU!
    This was Brilliantly encouraging!
    You have blessed me so, to see there are some who take these matter's seriously.
    However I will state this, none of these spiritual realization's happened overnight, it was a bit here, and a bit there. Precept upon Precept, line upon line......as HE appointed the time for me to see, to hear and to understand His will, His way..
    It sometimes took years until He made me to see. He is patient, and what I love about Him, is we can ask Him to get us there from a sincere heart, and when it is from a sincere heart, then He will grant the answer to the request, but only when HE has got us to that place to truly DESIRE, His Will.......

    For without HIM, WE can do NOTHING! AMEN!!

    The Lord bless you ......
    In His Love....
     
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    First of all I think I know kyredneck (aka) Kentucky a little better than you do... I should we are yoke fellows in the belief, and that being said, I know Kentucky has a heart for the Lord and will give you the shirt off his back... But sometime Christians are so full of themselves, (been there done that) and I feel just as Kentucky and I think these scriptures fit what he said to a tee... When I meet anyone, they are a child of God to me... A sinner?... We are ALL sinners by nature... They need love and instruction, not criticism... There is plenty of that even among believers... NONE are Heaven bound by anything they did... Brother Glen:)

    1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

    2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

    3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

    4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

    5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

    6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

    7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

    8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

    9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

    10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

    11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

    12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

    13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
     
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    Nothing new under the sun:

    16 Be not righteous overmuch; neither make thyself overwise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
    17 Be not overmuch wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time? Ecc 7

    It's called balance, brother. :)
     
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    You mean to say that this knowledge evolved in “time” and not immediately? Well praise God!
     
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    Peace on earth, good will to men!
     
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    Disciples of Christ should serve in whatever capacity the Lord where Christ leads them. If this means serving in the military, serving in public office, serving in the local church, serving at a food bank, or serving by doing home projects for widows and the elderly. There is nothing wrong with serving as a soldier, government official, police officer, firefighter, etc. per se. I believe the Lord led me to serve in the Army, and I have no regrets. I'd make the same decision again. Yes, today's military and government environments are becoming more and more "woke", but that doesn't give us an excuse to abandon all civil services to Satan. The Light of Christ shines brightest in the darkest places.

    Absolutely yes! Who else will stand outside abortion clinics, etc.? However, I would not recommend protesting unless you had prayed about it first, especially because of the opposition and hostility you may encounter. This could very well turn into an opportunity for witnessing for Christ as well.

    Absolutely yes! We must do our due diligence, especially in the Primaries, and vote for the candidates who best represent Biblical values. We should not lose heart when it seems there are no good candidates. Again, we must pray about the candidates, as well as propositions and other issues that come up on the ballot.

    In Romans 13:1-7, Paul describes the governing authorities as “ministers of God” and says they are responsible for administering civil justice. Although God is sovereign, He chooses to use human governments to carry out His will in the civil arena. A Biblical basis for government is also found in Genesis 9:5-6, where God provides general authorization for action against murderers. This passage implies that communities must form or support governments capable of administering justice. As followers of Christ, we should be model citizens. If Christians had not been involved, slavery could still be the law of the land.

    In closing, I am reminded of Carmen's old song "The Light of Jesus to the World". It's about 4 minutes long, and you can listen to it at this link - .
     
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    My answer is yes to all of the above.

    1. Would I rather have a Christian Soldier in the military over an ungodly man or woman? Yes. Probably not going to see them disgracing the uniform by urinating on those they kill and capture.

    2. Would I rather have a President that acknowledges God and actually seeks to serve the country based on God's Word and the principles derived from it? Yes.

    3. Will I condemn my brothers and sisters in Christ who feel led by God to actually do something tangible to abate the murder of children in the womb? Yes.

    4. Do I think that not voting is in fact a vote? Yes. When we can, by voting, support a group that is opposed to the murder of the unborn, the radical Liberal Agenda that has gained such power in this country in recent years, and just plain common sense (should men use girls bathrooms and vice versa), it is my opinion that not casting such a vote shows a complete lack of interest in trying to help those who cannot help themselves. When you know that at the very least your vote can cancel out a vote for evil and do not cast it, you are as guilty of the evil as those who promote it.

    Hiding behind a veil of "Well, I'm not supposed to be part of the world so I should not get involved" is a copout that fails to meet even a slight resemblance to the discernment we should have as born-again believers.

    My Scripture?


    Colossians 3:17
    And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

    Colossians 3:23
    And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

    1 Corinthians 7:20 King James Version

    20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.



    Some are going to be saved after they are already soldiers and working within the Government, and it is to our advantage when that happens.


    God bless.
     
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    Oops.

    I would like to correct myself here and make it clear that I will not condemn those who feel led to do something tangible to abate the murder of unborn children.

    ;)


    God bless.
     
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    I would tend to agree with Spurgeon who declared: “To see a soldier a Christian is a joy; to see a Christian a soldier is another matter." I wrote a review of a recent book discussing Christians and war. Here it is if anyone wants to read it: Book Review: ‘Warlike Christians in an Age of Violence’

    I see no reason why they should not if they are prepared to find another job if they are required to do something denounced in the Bible. Daniel and others did.

    I think there is no objection to it so long as they do not break the law. I personally regret not protesting against the invasion of Iraq, but at the time I could not believe that our Prime Minister would deceive us over WMD. However, demonstrating against abortion or same-sex 'marriage' is a waste of time so long as a majority of the electorate support these things. It is more important to make more Christians and then the Government will start to take notice of these things.
    Yes, if at all possible. We should vote for the candidate whose life is most in line (or least out of line) with Christian standards and/or for the party whose manifesto is the same. In Britain this is a pretty hard job, and I fully understand anyone who doesn't feel able to vote for any candidate.
     
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    I read the article and it only confirmed to me that we need brothers and sisters in the military. If there is a conspiracy and collaboration among evil men in the shadows (which is becoming more obvious the stronger the Liberal Agenda grows), then isn't it a good thing to have people that are going to perform their duties from a Biblical and Christian perspective?

    America has had only one thing going for her since she came into being, and that is the people who held positions of power were men that feared God. I do not view all of them as Christians, but I do see the fear of God in most of them. As that has ceased to be the case we have steadily seen a decline in America. As I said before, that we have a nation of people that have to debate about whether abortion should be as convenient as picking up a burger, and whether someone born a man or woman is actually a man or woman or not, and which bathrooms should be open to who—then we are in serious trouble.

    And can we look at the leadership as a primary source for the evil that has run rampant in our country? Yes. It's no different than the false shepherds of the Old Testament.

    I agree there is an agenda behind the evil we see today, but I don't necessarily think it is secret. They have no fear anymore, because they have blinded the eyes of so many people they know they can get away with their criminal enterprise.

    I would also point out that not everyone that joins the Military ends up in combat. And if they do, I would far rather have someone that is going to lead those troops being led by God than by a desire to live out their first-person shooter video game fantasies.

    I believe this is how God restrains evil, by having His servants impact those who might otherwise have leadership that is ungodly.


    God bless.
     
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    KY - I have no ideal how the Disciples of Christ deal with those issues.
    But as a Baptist, I saw the Lord bless in many, many ways in the several churches
    that I joined during the 8 years I served in EUCOM as well as the 6 in CONUS.
    In fact, the Lord allowed me the opportunity to start a church in the FRG. What a
    blessing it was to have a baptism at Fellowship Baptist - just a few miles from
    the Deutsche Demokratische Republik (German Democratic Republic), abbreviated to DDR.
    That Church now is a German speaking church and I trust they are sharing the gospel
    in the former East Germany.

    I also have been blessed to serve on the county committee of my political party.

    As a radio talk show host - I encourage my listeners to not jut vote - but to vote
    responsibly. And as a Christian, we can have an impact in our community.
     
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