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Since my request to fix the post went unanswered, I have made my own original quote blue to distinguish from the response of the antagonist.

You seem offended to me, and that was never my intent. I simply wanted to do what a thread is designed to do, discuss the issues involved.

In regard to R.C. Sproul, I love the guy, and think he had a great mind. But—I reject quite a bit of what he taught. The reason for the quote is that it is very true.

As far as "Your false accusations have no place within me, those who accuse other's of being in denial and false are those who are the ones guilty of such practices," as I mentioned before, it might be a good idea to practice what you preach.

In other words, consider carefully whether your statement has any application in your own heart. You are the one making accusations and accusing others of being in denial. I have addressed every word you have said, and every point in detail. I will let the public record stand.

Oh, I see: you will cling tightly to what you believe.

Good idea to leave some room for growth in there somewhere, Cal.

It's obvious you are offended. Hence the name-calling, emotion, and desertion of your thread (and yes, that is a goad intended to keep you in the "fight," lol).

Oops, there I go having fun again, offending your religion (dern, I did it again!).

Well of course your truth is the Lord's Way.

Why, I might even believe that if you had Scripture to support it, could address my error, and show how my Biblical presentation that supports my view is in error.

But I'm funny that way: I think a Biblical view should have a little Bible to go along with it, and that it doesn't conflict with the broader teachings of Scripture.

Again, I offer you friendship, and the chance to reasonably discuss our differences, that is what forums like this are intended for. Any time you want to discuss this further just let me know.


God bless.

 

The Lord NEVER stated stop being a soldier, just do the right thing, the Lord has appointed Christians men and women into position of"secular authority", and we can and should]d exercise our rights as Americans to vote or anything else as long as does not conflict with God Kingdom, as Paul MANY times used his Roman rights to assist His ministry!

 

Excellent point!

God bless.

 

@Darrell C :
My friend, I'll make one more reply, as I've no desire to debate or answer your posts point-by-point.
That is not something I'm here to do.

What I am here to do is to point out what and why I believe what I do from God's word.

To me, there is no direct link between the rise of anti-Christ doctrine and policy, and the failure of professing Christians to voice their beliefs.

The cause of the visible church's problems is a direct result of the end times in which we live...
False brethren who populate the visible churches and who do not have the Holy Ghost indwelling them.

In other words,
"Tares" and false teachers that have been increasingly sown in the Lord's "field" and who fall away from the truth, are the cause of doctrinal impurity and willful disobedience to the Lord's commands in the churches.

As for public morality, Rome was as bad, if not worse, than present-day America is, for example.
Christians there could no more stop the fall of the Roman Empire than we can the fall of America or any other nation.
They rise, and they fall, and that is the way of things.
We are here to occupy until He comes, and not much else except to pray for the leaders of the countries that we are "sojourning" in, and preach the Gospel and edify one another until the time of His coming.


That said, I wish you well,
and again, May God bless you.

 

The same Lord was in the OT having just wars waged for His cause, correct?

 

By that reasoning, Christians would never have participated in the Revolutionary War - which would have left out the very devout Christian General Washington. Yet, God granted victory to 13 weak colonies against the greatest military might of the 18th century. Hmmm - history shows your view may be wrong. By your reasoning, Christians should never have fought to have slavery outlawed in the U.S. Is this really the world you would condemn us to?

 

Setting aside whether or not Washington was a true disciple of Christ, you didn't answer my question. Obviously, if God was not with the 13 Colonies, the Revolution would have failed completely. Just as Hezekiah had to implore God's help against Syria's superior forces in Isaiah 37, Christians had to seek God for victory. What about the righteous fight - in Congress and on the battlefield - to end slavery? Would you condemn those slaves to remain as such, or would you not do everything possible to free them? Why would you not do everything possible to stop abortion?

Honestly, your condemnation of Christians who choose to be involved in politics, voting, the military, etc. seems to have more in common with Jehovah's Witnesses than any Christians I know. Does that mean that you have fellowship with Darkness? Are you "unequally yoked" with Jehovah's Witnesses because you hold similar views?

 

First, I apologize for accusing you of condemnation. That was not fair of me. I should have simply stated that I disagree with your interpretation of those Scriptures.

Second, I am not trying to bait you into a debate. However, you still haven't answered my questions. Let's forget about General Washington, and get back to the main question. Should Christians have been involved with the Revolutionary War? The Civil War? WWI or WWII? Should Christians have left slavery as the law of the land, or was it just and proper to fight to end it?

Earlier you stated that you would not discuss your views with those who support Sproul, Graham, et al. because favoring such men reveals our mindset. However, you have not answered when I point out that your views on topic of whether we should be involved in the military, politics, etc. are very similar to what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. You can't have it both ways. Why is it okay for you to have views that are the same as a cult, but I can't have views that line up with Carmen, Billy Graham, and R.C. Sproul?

 

Again, we are to be light in this world. Professing Christians not voicing their beliefs is, in my view, voicing their beliefs. How does Salty's tag go? "If you are silent you have spoken"? I believe that is a very true principle.

We see the interaction of the Apostles with the governing bodies of their day. When those governing bodies tried to silence their voice (and that is what the Liberal Agenda and the Democratic Mafia are trying to do) they stood against and spoke louder, lol.

The push to censor is preparing a world that will fall right into the hands of Antichrist.

Not really, it isn't. We have it far easier than the Apostles and the early Church. We have (for now) the freedom to preach and teach the Gospel without fear of ostracism, incarceration, or death. Not everyone today has that.

We have been in the end times since the Church began at Pentecost. But we are still commanded to follow those teachings, exhortations, and commands given us through the instruction of the Apostles and Christ. And the example of the Apostles and Christ we are given to follow are those of believers being proactive in regards to the Gospel. We are to disregard the warnings and commands of men when they try to force on us things that are counter to our beliefs.

We can't do that if we remain silent.

They've been around since day one. Look at Simon (Acts 8): he wanted power, not the Gospel. Look at Hymenaeus and Philetus: they were false teachers, teaching the resurrection (which I think the resurrection of the Rapture was what they were saying had already come) had already happened (1 Timothy 1:20 and 1 Timothy 2:17).

And we have been given instructions as to how we handle that. We be on the lookout for them, and when we identify them—we deal with them with the Word of God.

This is the field: the world. Guess where the wheat is: the world.

The reaping takes place at the end of this Age when the tares are gathered and burned. While we aren't to uproot the tares, it still illustrates where we are.


Matthew 3:11-12 King James Version

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


Two baptisms that represent the two resurrections: one unto everlasting life, and one unto everlasting damnation/judgment.

As far as doctrinal purity goes, the failure is to be found with the Body herself. Granted those "that rule over us" have the lion's share of guilt, but that doesn't excuse the individual believer. The Writer of Hebrews rebukes those he writes to because they are ignorant of the first principles, and have need that they be taught them again, rather than where they should be—understanding the Doctrine of Christ that has been given them in a more complete understanding.


Continued...

 

It's beginning to become a debatable issue, unfortunately. But as it has already been mentioned, the Body of Christ is the minority. This heightens our responsibility in a dead and dying world.

And what is pretty obvious, Dave, is that it is to the world that Paul and the Apostles went. That is how they started churches. Corinth is a good example of what Paul was dealing with. Peter, dealing with the Jews and their governing body had his hands full as well.

I'm not sure what trying to stop the fall of either Rome or America has to do with it.

I am not trying to save America, I am trying to save unborn children with my opposition to the murderous hearts that advocate it. And voting is one easy way for my voice to be heard in this present-day Sodom and Gomorrha.

Many view America as "a Christian Nation," I do not. I understand that there is always a many/few ratio between the lost and saved, whether they go to church or not.

But, as I said before, one thing that cannot be denied is that this country was founded by God-fearing men and women, and while I view many of them to be woefully ignorant of the Gospel, they still fashioned this country as people who did in fact believe in God and that there were consequences to sin. Now, it seems those calling themselves "Christian" have in large part lost any fear of God. They do not view their actions as sin, but as their personal rights.

Why?

Why is it that divorce is okay today in the minds of most Americans? Why is it that homosexuality is accepted by most Americans—even in many of its so-called "churches?"

Because the Liberal Agenda has convinced people that if you call sin sin—you're an intolerant hater.

And if you speak out against it there's something wrong with you.

But that's what the Apostles did. THat is what Stephen was doing when he was stoned to death.

I agree, but can I suggest to you that having a country to live in where the Gospel is not going to be hindered by the governing body—is a good thing?

That as Christians we should, if we can, try to ensure that continues?

On the contrary, we are not simply to occupy. That is a principle seen in the parable of the talents. That guy "occupied" in a way he was not meant to.

Look at the word "occupy" and see if it means sitting around on our laurels.

We are to be about the business of the Lord, and what is it that the Lord wants us to do? Bury our talent? Hide our light under a basket?

And you, Dave.

God bless.

 

Do you include those of us who like RC Sproul, Dr MacArthur, Spurgeon, et all in that also?

 

So its always wring to be a Christian cop, soldier, leader etc?