yet we all know better that the English of the KJV is NOT common English in any day.
Now explain why the KJV came out from under the confines of England and is so widely accepted to every English speaking people?
Could is just POSSIBLY be it is inspired!
Inspired Bible
Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Ehud, Oct 14, 2009.
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R. Lawson said: ↑You are perpetuating false doctrine. Our Lord doesn't like it when KJVOs trade the truth for a lie...Click to expand...
I rather respect a man who doesn't weeble and wobble from translation to translation with an expectation for everyone else to bow to their knowledge and presumed understandings about Scripture when we already have the KJV.
The English of the KJV is in a form uncommon to man that even the commonest of men can read and comprehend when they are looking at the word of God with Light from within. That is what the verse refers to.
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Trotter said: ↑I never said God's inspired words were not passed along, but that there was/is not a second work of inspiration.
You seem to want to twist what was said to meet your own needs, my friend (and yes, I do regard you as a friend). My exact words were, "Doesn't mean the words in your KJV or my ESV are not inspired (as they are the translations of the words that were inspired), but no translation itself is a work of inspiration." And I still stand by this.
Did God just erase His original words and rewrite His words with each and every translation? No, He did not. Instead He prepared men of knowledge, both before the translators of the KJV and on through today, to faithfully translate His words into other languages. he did not re-breathe His word for this, as He had already put it forth through the pen of Moses, David, Solomon, Paul, Luke, and all the others.
God's words never lose their inspiration, period. God breathed them, and they remain His words.
Try sticking with what I said and not what you want to twist it into and we'll be just fine.
I know the word and what it means. You, however, seem to be well versed in its usage.
Again with the insults. I chose to make the statement that I did not appreciate your comments. I did not insult you or make any derogatory remarks. You reciprocate by insulting me.
The KJV, or any other translation for that matter, was/is not a second work of inspiration. God is more than able to preserve his words and their inspiration; he did not have to "re-up" it in 1611.Click to expand...
I do not agree the ESV is actually the equal of the KJV, and never will. Good reason, too.
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Harold Garvey said: ↑DHK said: ↑Coming from some one who willfully questions another members salvation and doesn't even believe the Bible is inspired today, nothing you sau could amount to much.Click to expand...
Show me a Bible today that is absolutely perfect, without any error whatsoever, and then I will show you a Bible that is "God-breathed" (inspired). Funny that you are not able to do that.
The Translators excercized humility in their presenting thier work as to not be boastful men, something of which many of us could be admonished by their words in the Preface.Click to expand...
Oh, so you believe men have made God subject to them as they translate the Bible and He somehow bows down to their arrogance in so doing. Sad to even think we could not even have an inspired Bible because God wasn't even able to preserve that inspiration through any translation. Sad!Click to expand...
Funny you should use words to "prove" inspiration in the original tongues from a Translation which YOU say is not even inspired.Click to expand...
I once heard a profound statement,"You, Sir, sound as confounded as a termite would be in a yo-yo in the hands of an adolescent child."Click to expand...Click to expand... -
DHK said: ↑Harold Garvey said: ↑Where did I question anyone's salvation?
Show me a Bible today that is absolutely perfect, without any error whatsoever, and then I will show you a Bible that is "God-breathed" (inspired). Funny that you are not able to do that.Click to expand...
Humility does not omit mistakes. In fact in their humility they admitted the possibility of mistakes and the room for improvement. That is clear evidence of the arrogance that you show on this board with your boastful claims of the opposite of what the KJV translators claimed.Click to expand...
You mean to say God was only capable of inspiring men once over a period of 1500 years to pen the word of God down and somehow is subject to you as that he could not keep his word for today.
Produce your perfect Bible. You are the one who demands a perefect translation, let's examine yours since you see to be the ONLY authority.
You don't understand the difference between inspiration and preservation. I have always said that God has preserved his word. I have never moved from that stance. The translators obviously translated from Greek and Hebrew. If you have any question about the accuracy of their translation you also could study the Greek and Hebrew and see how accurate the translation is.Click to expand...In Romans 6:2 it is not very accurate is it. "God forbid." Neither "God" nor "forbid" are found in the Greek. They didn't even translate the phrase; they used a mechanism called dynamic equivalency. Thus the KJV cannot be inspired. It has errors, mistranslation, loss of meaning in its translation. It cannot be perfect for no translation is perfect; no translation is "God-breathed."Click to expand...
The translating of the Greek allows the infusion of the English equal for exact comprehension, something you'd like to RIP out of the Bible!
As I said, if I have any question about the accuracy of their translation I can go to the Greek and see for myself if it is accurate.Click to expand...I am not bound to the KJV. I am not its slave. Rather you have made yourself a slave to the KJV. How unfortunate.Click to expand...
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Harold Garvey said: ↑DHK said: ↑Show me the perfection of the originals.Click to expand...
The originals are those that Peter, Paul, John, Samuel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. wrote. They were the ones that the Holy Spirit of God used to write the inspired words of God. No one else was used in such a way. The Bible makes this very clear. It is sad that you reject the teaching of the Word of God on this important doctrine (2Pet.1:21; 2Tim.3:16).
Actually, you are the one who accuses God of making mistakes through the translations.Click to expand...
You mean to say God was only capable of inspiring men once over a period of 1500 years to pen the word of God down and somehow is subject to you as that he could not keep his word for today.Click to expand...
Produce your perfect Bible. You are the one who demands a perefect translation, let's examine yours since you see to be the ONLY authority.Click to expand...
tell me what I know, ok.:laugh: Yes, you'd really like to leave God out of the KJV wouldn't you.Click to expand...
The Bible is preserved in the Hebrew and the Greek. Translations always lose meaning when being translated. Tell me, what does it mean when Jesus said "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle." They didn't have stainless steel sewing needles back then. What does the word "conversation" mean in Phil.3:20? Is our conversation in heaven? What does the word "unicorn" mean in the OT. Did the Hebrews believe in Greek mythology? What about the translation in Rom.6:2 "God forbid", when neither God or forbid, are in the Greek MSS, and what about the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 when it is translated from the word "pascha"? Every other time in the NT "pascha" is translated "passover," except this once. Why?
Thy KJV is not perfect. It has some obvious glaring mistakes in it--these you have never accounted for, have you?
The translating of the Greek allows the infusion of the English equal for exact comprehension, something you'd like to RIP out of the Bible!Click to expand...
Arrogance surfaced again. produce your version. BTW, which Greek are you subjecting everyone else, including Giod, to? I don't rely on fortunes. I am black and you just called me a slave.Click to expand...
For the record, (though some may disagree with me), I tend to agree with the Majority text rather than the Critical text. And I don't subject anyone to my opinion or the conclusion of my study. I point out the error, or possible heresy, that depending on a translation as more accurate than the language that it is translated from is pure folly, and not even logical.Click to expand... -
Harold said:I do not agree the ESV is actually the equal of the KJV, and never will. Good reason, too.
You seem to limit the inspired word of God in English to these two translations. In comparison the ESV is lacking.Click to expand...
As for comparison, that can go several ways and is a discussion best left to another thread. You have your thoughts on the matter and I have mine and we'll get along as brothers in Christ regardless. -
It is not accurate - at least -to claim that the WCF, LBCF, et.al., claimed inspiration for a translation, and there's only about a thousand sources that would dispel such a notion.
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Harold Garvey said: ↑Show me the perfection of the originals.Click to expand...
Harold Garvey said: ↑Actually, you are the one who accuses God of making mistakes through the translations.Click to expand...
Harold Garvey said: ↑You mean to say God was only capable of inspiring men once over a period of 1500 years to pen the word of God down and somehow is subject to you as that he could not keep his word for today.Click to expand...
Harold Garvey said: ↑Arrogance surfaced again...I just am not going to play the little children's games you do when it comes to such immature rhetoric.
Harold Garvey quotes from the last two threads on this issue...
- BTW, which Greek are you subjecting everyone else, including Giod, to? I don't rely on fortunes.
- Produce your perfect Bible. You are the one who demands a perefect translation, let's examine yours since you see to be the ONLY authority.
- I am black and you just called me a slave.
- ...something you'd like to RIP out of the Bible!
- I can count two on your list of offenses so far. nothing you say could amount to much.
- Yes, you'd really like to leave God out of the KJV wouldn't you.
- I knew Ps 138 would stump you.
- ...not to mention at least three posts cut or edited by mods because they broke the rules.
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Harold Garvey said: ↑I can count two on your list of offenses so far.Click to expand... -
The copy of the Bible I read inspires me. Surely that counts for something. One bible I like was written by a liberal theologian...Imagine that!
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1. If translations don’t proceed from the mouth of God we are living on sourdough.
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘People do not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”2. Paul refers to the Scriptures that Timothy used calling them holy and inspired.
Matthew 4:4 TNIV
Timothy probably used portions of a Greek translation of Scripture.
3. Every reference in the N.T. to the Scriptures refers to what was known through copies of it.
Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to faith and obedience—to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Romans 16:25-27 TNIV
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.
Romans 15:4 TNIV
4. N.T. authors attribute God’s authoritative words made available to them through a translation.Matthew 21:42; Matthew 22:29; Matthew 26:54; Mark 12:10; Luke 4:21
John 5:39; John 10:35; Acts 8:30-35; 1 Peter 2:6
5. N.T. authors (and even Jesus) paraphrased O.T. Scripture.
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Deacon said: ↑1. If translations don’t proceed from the mouth of God we are living on sourdough.Click to expand...
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DHK said:How far do you intend to carry this argument?Click to expand...
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Trotter said: ↑Apparently we're all wrong and the canon is not closed after all. I mean, if God is inspiring translations above and beyond His given word...Click to expand...
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DHK said: ↑How far do you intend to carry this argument?Click to expand...
I'm sure the ancient readers knew that there were differences between versions
but inerrancy didn't seem to be the defining issue when these statements were made.
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Harold Garvey said: ↑Now explain why the KJV came out from under the confines of England and is so widely accepted to every English speaking people?Click to expand...
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Deacon said: ↑How far? I'm jus' reading the Scriptures.
I'm sure the ancient readers knew that there were differences between versions
but inerrancy didn't seem to be the defining issue when these statements were made.
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Johnv said: ↑It is a historical fact that the KJV became widely accepted because the English government made it illegal to own or possess any other translation. Even after that decree, it took many decades for the Anglican King James Bible to overcome the more popular Protestant Church’s Geneva Bible.Click to expand...
You have used conjecture here.
How is Ps138 scriptural support for the idea that the KJV is the only translation which is inspired?Click to expand...
I cannot fathom why you insist I have ever said only the KJV is inspired, I have never said that.
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DHK said: ↑Why? Because a comma or colon is missing?
How far do you intend to carry this argument?Click to expand...
Scripture doesn't ever contradict Scripture, by either interpretation or application, when it is according to II Tim 3:16.:godisgood:
My children's homeschool lessons read their data and include "12:00 am" as "Twelve, colon, 0,0 am", but don't see where the Lord would ever speak the punctuation marks.
I'll carry the "arguement" all the way to the Judgement Seat of Christ in that I will maintain a higher standard than any modernist on the subject of inspiration!:thumbsup:
"Harold dances much like David did before the Lord: just like a frolicking lamb at play in a fertile green meadow with birds a singing and butterflies a flittering amongst the flowers of the Garden of God!":flower:
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