"Any man" means "any man" that he is talking to among the church that He is addressing.
In this case, the one at Laodicea.
If you cannot see that, I'm sorry.
Yes, He did.
That is the context, roby.
The "any man" in verse 20 is bracketed and clarified by the "as many as I love" in verse 19, the "him that overcomes" in verse 21 and the "he that has an ear" in verse 22.
It is to those that He is speaking.
You may lift it out of the text, use it to ,mean "any man that God has created" and quote it that way if you wish, but I cannot.
To me, the context does not bear that out.
Again, I'm sorry that you do not see that.
BTW,
I confidently rest on the "KJV", despite its few "goofs and booboos", because to me, it's far more accurate to the Greek Received Text and the Ben Chayyim Hebrew than any other translation in the English today.
In addition, I hold that it's more faithful in the words that it does use when compared to other English translations, even though those words have now fallen into disuse.
We can disagree all you like roby, and you can hate the KJV all you want, but I will continue to use it whether or not you condone it.
With respect, for you to keep reminding me of your hatred of it does nothing to change my mind, nor am I willing to stop quoting from it on this forum just because you happen to think that it's not a good translation.
I figure that if it was good enough for my brothers and sisters down through the years of the past 3-4 centuries, and it's good enough now.
Frankly, I have no trouble understanding it, even if you might.
May God bless you, sir, and know that I bear you no ill will...
even though you keep bringing this subject up time and again.:)
Irresistible Grace
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Sai, Aug 12, 2020.
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Romans 10:1-5
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. -
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= Acts 8:48. "And as many as were ordained unto eternal life believed."
Jesus Stands and knocks at the door of the heart of The Believers,
in THE CHURCH ASSEMBLIES, HE IS WRITING TO.
= nothing to do with 'Salvation', or lost souls.
*Church membership in The New Testament church assemblies of Jesus Christ, then and now, have a prerequisite of a Salvation Testimony, before being accepted into membership, by Scriptural Baptism ( administered by a Divinely Organized church of Jesus Christ, in accordance with New Testament Authority).
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19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."
The verse before gives the context of, 20 "Behold, I stand at the door, ( of, As many as I love) and knock: if any man (of, As many as I love) hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him,(of, As many as I love) and will sup with him, (of, As many as I love) and he ( of, As many as I love) with me.
*Church membership in The New Testament church assemblies of Jesus Christ, then and now, have a prerequisite of a Salvation Testimony, before being accepted into membership, by Scriptural Baptism ( administered by a Divinely Organized church of Jesus Christ, in accordance with New Testament Authority).
22 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the *churches."
...is the COMMAND GIVEN regarding being Faithful to the ADMONITION and WARNING,
made to the same Saved souls in;
19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."
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That is why this is true in reference to:
Jesus Stands and knocks at the door of the heart of The Believers.
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2 Timothy 2:19. "Nevertheless the Foundation of God Standeth Sure;
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These were Saved souls and members of One of The Lord's New Testament churches.
The Cause of God and Truth
Part 1, Section 59—Revelation 2 and Revelation 3. -
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Act 13:48 And the nations hearing were glad, and were glorifying the word of the Lord, and did believe—as many as were appointed to life age-during;
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What about Acts 7:51?
"“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you"
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Acts 13 .46 makes this clear when these Jews do not appoint / incline / choose themselves worthy of eternal life . -
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There is no basis in reality or reason or logic for such a doctrine as irresistible grace. There certainly is no scriptures that teaches it. Off the top of my head, I can't think an instance in scripture where God uses an adjective to modify his grace. God does not know anything about "irresistible" grace. He knows something about the dispensation of grace. The reformed who knows a lot about something that God knows nothing about knows nothing about something he reveals as a doctrine in his scriptures. I have never met a Reformed believer who can make a reasonable and logical comment about the dispensation of grace.
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: (gentile-ward)
Irresistible grace.
Dispensation of grace
Which is biblical? Which is true? Which has a scriptural body of teaching?
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