Is Cal/Non-Cal important enough to divide?

I havent insulted your pastor or your kin?????

But mine have been insulted on here.

John

 

Not by me brother.... Listen I am just going to cut this off with something I want us all to think about because as followers of Christ we are to glorify & love Him, however a combative disposition seeks glory for no one but self.

I'm not doing that & I hope you don't either.

 

You should try listening to some of Andy Stanley's messages. We just completed a series titled "Big Church". Very profound and motivating.

 

Well every Calvinist I ever met at Baptist Board leans on his own understanding. They are always talking about their interpretation and what is logical. They also assume I do the same although I've told them I lean on God.

A dogma is merely being convinced, unmovable, of certain precepts. If you're willing to give up your precepts you could not have thought to much about them to begin with. Actually Calvinist, (at least the ones I've met here), are very dogmatic.

I'm just as dogmatic as any Calvinist and I do not see how there could ever be unity between freewill and non freewill. They are exact opposites. The only thing we have in Common is we both claim Christ is our Salvation. Catholics believe this as well, yet I'm totally against ecumenism. I would not compromise to be in unity with anyone and sooner or later just like here at Baptist board there would be arguments.

Calvinist may consider what they believe to be religion but I do not. I consider mine a relationship. A religion is about performing certain things religiously over and over. I believe Christ hated tradition as do I. Tradition becomes stagnate and repetitive and there fore meaningless.

Unity seems like a great idea but, Christ did not bring us unity. Instead He brought us division and true unity will not come until Christ comes again.
MB

 

My priority is to find a solid church or build one. BTW who is Andy Stanley? Honestly never heard of him.

 

They would need converting now...heathen christians:thumbs:

Winman...i agreed with the one verse you did not take out of context:laugh:

Yes seeking.....your comment that calvinism is from the Pit...is an edifying idea.....that really closes the gap......like i predicted snide remarks...no scripture...then run for the hills:laugh:

 

John, I think need to come to term with the fact that there are thousands of "regular" christians who happen to agree with the primary tenets of Calvinism when it comes to soteriology. We may not have an answer to every objection (though some may seem to think they do), but many of us, like me, simply have not heard a convincing argument against individual election, and so when we see verses that seem to say God chooses who will be saved (like those I posted on this thread: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=75006&highlight=calvinism )
...We have to say, "I believe that, those verses seem to say God Chooses (individually) who will be saved."

If it is a lie from the pit of hell, it has been a lie believed by some undeniably godly preachers and theologians thought he ages of the church, Just as the opposite view has motivated some great evangelistic work though the ages of the church.

There ARE Biblical verses that seem to support Calvinism, just as there are biblical verses that seem to refute it. The view one takes on this issue (on either side) does not necessarily mean they should be relegated to the fringes and considered outside "normal" Christianity.



http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=75006&highlight=calvinism

 

Name your new church MUSTANG:

Men
Under
Sovereign
Triune
All-knowing
Noble
God

 

MB, are you a pastor of a church?

 

Yea... LOL, I can see the commentary now, all centered around the "Mustang Ranch" house of prostitution in Nevada. Riiiiight! :laugh:

 

Ooops! I forgot about that ranch. I have a feeling they have a bigger following than most.....

 

Poppy, define "normal" Christianity for me would ya....and take your time on it....you must be tired.:laugh:

 

Are you speaking about the Church or the Brothel :smilewinkgrin:

 

Which one do you think I mean? :smilewinkgrin:

 

ahhh just some fun at your expense.....:love2:

 

How about FORD?

For
Only
Reformed
Doers

 

Andy is my leading "pastor/teacher" of the church that I attend. He is the son of Charles Stanley, pastor of FBC Atlanta.

http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...934l3813l0l4250l12l12l0l3l3l0l122l552l8.1l9l0

 

Would Paul be combative if people were trying to get people to join the "I am of Calvin" camp? The fact that we call those who are not of that camp things like non-Cal speaks for itself. Many Calvinists are on a mission to promote or focus on certain doctrines above or at the expense of all the others. Just see where certain people focus all their posts. They are, as Iconoclast said but in the opposite direction, neglecting the whole council of God. Non Cals explain each and every Scripture the Cals bring up, and I believe with the proper interpretation. No need to lambast them and impute impure motives to them. Shame on you! How divisive! In fact the Scripture does speak to the issues of those who are divisive: have nothing to do with them (1 Pet 3:10).

 

Paul was very combative when some sought to mix works with grace ...as several do here on BB;

I would suggest to you that Paul was very combative when semi -pelagians sought to pervert the gospel. let them be accursed...is not a blessing, or call to unity. There can be no unity with error.
Doctrine is given to bring unity....when doctrine is perverted...no unity can take place....ONLY ERROR.....or COMPROMISE.

This is not so. calvinists speak to the complete 66 books of scripture.
have you ever seen a confession of faith;
http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html
what did they leave out?

Give an example to support your allegation.

really.....look at what was brought up in this thread alone...no scripture...just evil speaking saying calvinist teaching is from hell{no impure motives there}:thumbs: