I trust in a holy/good God that chooses to save those who believe upon His son, with no deserving it on my (or any free-willers) part. I don't have personal holiness, that isn't what saved me, Christ saved me because I chose to believe upon His word.
You're just putting words into my mouth, and you're venting your anger because I found someone who knows how to uncover your false, ungodly doctrine(s).
You may be concerned, but you are mislead, that much I can tell. I speak from the Truth of the Word of God.
Is God the author of Evil/Sin?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Miss E, Jul 27, 2020.
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So needless to say, I do not believe that.
Do you even care what Calvinism actually teaches, or are you just here to tell Calvinists that we are wrong ... whatever it is we actually believe. -
and there isn't 'MY/OUR/YOUR RULES'. There is only GOD'S WORD and He has the authority here. not me, not you.
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I know what you Calvinists believe, and I don't care for it. I just point out the places you are wrong, and let your heart decide whether you will repent of your false beliefs or not. -shrug- Looks like you still have some repenting to do! :p -
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MissE, I don't think you have really considered the implications your position has on the nature and attributes of God. Your God is incapacitated by humans and their will to do whatever they wish. -
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OK Here's your proof:
ulrich zwingli and (behold) john calvin:
R.V Sproul:
Here's the book if you can view it: (I don't know, you might have to be a student where I am to view it)
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tyndale1946 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.
When God withdraws his light what is created... Darkness... When God withdraws his peace what follows... Evil?... Is God to blame?... NO!... MAN IS!... Brother Glen:)
Btw... My rule of thumb has always been this, I compare scripture with scripture and even the best of authors can be wrong and I can too... Brother Glen:) -
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Reformed Theology Vs. Hyper-Calvinism
by Michael Horton
Before the average believer today learns what Reformed theology (i.e., Calvinism) actually is, he first usually has to learn what it’s not. Often, detractors define Reformed theology not according to what it actually teaches, but according to where they think its logic naturally leads. Even more tragically, some hyper-Calvinists have followed the same course. Either way, “Calvinism” ends up being defined by extreme positions that it does not in fact hold as scriptural. The charges leveled against Reformed theology, of which hyper-Calvinism is actually guilty, received a definitive response at the international Synod of Dort (1618–1619), along with the Westminster Confession of Faith and Catechisms.
Is God the Author of Sin?
The God of Israel “is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he” (Deut. 32:4–5). In fact, James seems to have real people in mind when he cautions, “Let no one say when he is tempted, ‘I am being tempted by God,’ for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one” (James 1:13). Sin and evil have their origin not in God or creation, but in the personal will and action of creatures.
Scripture sets forth two guardrails here: On one hand, God “works all things after the counsel of his own will” (Eph. 1:15); on the other, God does not — in fact, cannot — do evil. We catch a glimpse of these two guardrails at once in several passages, most notably in Genesis 45 and Acts 2. In the former, Joseph recognizes that while the intention of his brothers in selling him into slavery was evil, God meant it for good, so that many people could be saved during this famine (vv. 4–8). We read in the same breath in Acts 2:23 that “lawless men” are blamed for the crucifixion, and yet Jesus was “delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God….” The challenge is to affirm what Scripture teaches without venturing any further. We know from Scripture that both are true, but not how. Perhaps the most succinct statement of this point is found in the Westminster Confession of Faith (chap. 3.1): “God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass;” — there’s one guardrail — “yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creature; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established,” and with that, the second guardrail. The same point is made in the Belgic Confession of Faith (Article 13), adding that whatever God has left to His own secret judgment is not for us to probe any further.
Calvinist beliefs, as explained by Calvinists and supported in Calvinist Confessions of Faith ... rather than paraphrased by ANTI-Calvinists cherry-picking excepts from the works of individuals and then "man-spalining" what they really meant. -
With respect to R.C. Sproul, you can read his actual views in his own words and decide for yourself if he claims that God is the author of Evil:
Distinguishing the Active and Passive Wills of GodDo you disagree with what Sproul said?
from R.C. Sproul May 08, 2010
Joseph said about the treachery perpetrated by his brothers, “You meant it for evil; God meant it for good” (Gen. 50:20). God’s good will was served through the bad will of Joseph’s brothers. This does not mean that since they were only doing the will of God the acts of the brothers were actually virtuous. All acts must be judged together with their intentions, and the actions of Joseph’s brothers were rightly judged by God to be evil. That God brings good out of evil only underscores the power and the excellence of His sovereign, decretive will.
We sometimes get at this same problem by distinguishing between God’s active will and His passive will. Again we face difficulties. When God is “passive,” He is, in a sense, actively passive. I do not mean to speak nonsense but merely to show that God is never totally passive. When He seems to be passive, He is actively choosing not to intercede directly.
Augustine addressed the problem this way: “Man sometimes with a good will wishes something which God does not will, as when a good son wishes his father to live, while God wishes him to die. Again it may happen that man with a bad will wishes what God wills righteously, as when a bad son wishes his father to die, and God also wills it …For the things which God rightly wills, He accomplishes by the evil wills of bad men.”
Refute it with Scripture! -
Barry Johnson Well-Known Member
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
"What sin has been uncovered?
Any?
Any sin convict the heart?
Ever thought that Repenting of what you 'think' in your deceived and desperately wicked heart?
Ever seen yourself as a Hell-deserving, Hopeless, and Helpless sinner, before Almighty God?
Repent and Believe The Gospel.
Not, 'pick Heaven, if that sounds cool'.
Bragging that you do not Love The God of Ther Bible, Who is The God of The Eternal Covenant of Grace is unbelievable Offensive sin to God Almighty.
To call The Eternal Words of God, by the name of a man, and then, dismiss them, is two more horribly abominable sins. -
Alan Gross Well-Known Member
I'm not a Calvinist and can do without him, completely. I never have heard of him, more than 10 or 12 times in my life, before I got on this board.
Now some folks we know take up a profession
of “Godliness” and try to make an “outward showing
of Godliness”, for the sake of some present
or future gain.
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SUCH AS; in an attempt to gain a name in a church of Jesus Christ, OR, to get a reputation among godly neighbors and acquaintance, OR, for the sake of worldly interests, or
THEY MAY EVEN THINK THAT THEY CAN “obtain” the “favor of God” now, and Heaven hereafter.
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BUT, after all, what will the hope and gain of a person that attempts to take up a profession of “Godliness” and try to make an “outward showing of Godliness”, when such a person is
Said by God to be “HYPOCRITICAL” and there Will Be a Time when:
"God takes away his soul”
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“For what is the hope of the hypocrite,
though he has gained, when God takes away his soul ?”
(Job 27:8)
4. PERSONAL WORSHIP of THE GODHEAD - ! Aware of the Godhead Master Index of Portfolio
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