Is healthcare a right or a privilege II

Rachel thinks you need to practice connecting those dots. First thing Hitler (YOU brought him up) would do after invading some country would be to enact universal healthcare coverage and he used that paper database to find groups for his holocaust.

You'd think people would figure out that giving the government this kind of power is dangerous but, nope - you don't "care" what Mussolini did, you just want to do the same thing over again.

 

Yes because that's exactly what happened in Britain after 1948....

 

No, we do not agree. There is no right to someone else's labor.

People can willingly give it, and other people can certainly accept their charity. People in the medical profession are some of the most charitable people I know.

But that does not create a right.

 

It could happen in the UK yet but what's happened in your country is that your "free" healthcare system will go bankrupt with all those Muslims you keep importing and then they'll be hell to pay.

 

Many of whom work in the NHS and without whom it wouldn't survive.

Try again

 

But if they are paid to do it and can quit their job, then why do we no longer agree again? Is my wife then to be considered a slave by you since she works in such a system?

 

My position:

1. A right to someone else's labor or goods is slavery.

2. Healthcare is not a right.

So where have I agreed that people have a right to healthcare?

 

A baker is paid to bake; I don't have a right to his bread. It is a good and charitable thing to give food to the hungry, but that doesn't create a right.

How is healthcare different than bread?

 

Many more of whom are on the dole and are going to squeeze your already doomed system dry.

Try again.

 

Our unemployment figures are the lowest they've been for years so again your point fails.

 

Your two points are separate. The second is the subject matter of the thread although it is the first that you and I are debating. By your definition in #1, a police officer is also a slave.

 

If he is employed by a bakery owner to bake bread, surely he has to give it to whoever his employer directs; how the owner is paid for it and by whom is none of the employee's business, as long as the employee is paid a fair wage and is free to quit his job if he wants. No one would say that the employed baker is a slave in such circumstances so I am not sure why you are saying that a healthcare worker is.

 

I'm not saying that anyone is a slave. I'm also not saying that I have a right to someone else's bread, medicine, or hours of labor in the medical field.

You say that my position 1 and 2 are unrelated, then you use my position 1 and your opposing belief on position to to put words in my mouth.

 

LOL, I never said your worthless "healthcare system" was a cause for unemployment. What I said was your system will break and good luck - you're going to need it - you showed Americans exactly what not to do.

 

No it's the immigrants who are helping to keep the system going. It's only creaking because our stingy government keeps reducing its funding and because we have an ageing population - as do you. That's the elephant in the room.

 

The government cannot be stingy as it does not own anything or possess anything.

 

Desperation!!! Can't dispute facts of actual crumbling of GOO

Oh, but it can be stingy with what it collects in taxes (read legalized robbery :Cautious)!

 

So is it robbery to pay taxes for the military?

 

Of course not.
Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.



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Right, Ok, so can we put to sleep this idea that "taxes are robbery" and stop gerbilling hysterically about it.