Used by all citzens.
Benefits to all citizens
Benefits to all citizens
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Potential benefit to all citizens
Benefits to all citizens
Benefits to all citizens
Benefits to all citizens
Of course not.
Now you are being silly.
You list a bunch of services that are paid for by taxes. These services, by and large, benefit all citizens. Providing health care to people that can't afford it by taxing people that earn money is a direct money transfer. Take money from someone and give it to an individual so they can buy something. I can't go out and buy law enforcement on an individual basis. I can't buy interstate highways for myself. Health care is something people buy individually.
Is healthcare a right or a privilege II
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Alcott, Jul 14, 2017.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Er...no: healthcare benefits all citizens. I don't want to hire someone who is off sick every few weeks because of a treatable condition when they can't afford the treatment. Think of the billions lost to the economy because of sick days.
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Seems like births preceded healthcare as we know it.
The right to life means we have a right to not have our lives extinguished. If grandpa dies at 110, has he been deprived of his right? No, unless he was murdered.
Food and shelter are clothing are more important needs than healthcare, but I don't have a right to any of them. God tells me that the ground is cursed, and I will eat of it by means of painful labor, by the sweat of my brow, until this body returns to dust. Gen 3:17-19.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I pay tax for that - a lot of tax; why pay twice for the same things? You don't buy a dog and then bark yourself...
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I don't see how that can be an 'assumption' if one claims to be 'pro-life', unless that is also an 'assumption' here? Is it?
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My position is consistent. I don't have a right to anyones goods or labor, which is what healtchcare consists of.
I have a right to live, assemble, reap the rewards of my own labor, and a few others. These rights are innate to me. They do not require goods or labor from someone else. I have these rights until someone physically deprives me of the, through theft, murder, slavery, & etc.
I don't have a right to anyone else's stuff. Not their medicine, access to their operating tables, not their billable hours of labor as a doctor. And not someone else's food, clothing, shelter, & etc.
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Hard cases don't make good law or ethical principles - look at the Charlie Gard case we are debating elsewhere.
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I get it, you think that people have a right to other people's goods and labor. Qualifying that statement with talk about roads and schools doesn't change the core of the statement.
I received 48 months of education benefits from my government. Because it was an included benefit from a contractual agreement derived from law. Seemed like a good deal to me. But that does not create a right to education. -
Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I just acknowledge that in a functioning society these reciprocal rights and obligations are being exercised all the time. You just perhaps don't realise it or accept it, in which case why do you pay taxes or drive on other people's roads at all? Think about it: every time you drive on the public highway you are exercising your 'right to other people's labour ' , 'other people's stuff'. If you're so against that principle, you really ought to stay home.
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Why? I choose to remain a citizen of this country, and enjoy the infrastructure my country chooses produce.
Did you not read my post about education benefits? I can pay taxes and use roads or other services without accepting that I have a right to anything. -
InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I see you used the phrase functioning society and civilised society.
Society and government is a veneer over natural order. I acknowledge that. And the people within a nation can agree to all sorts of deals. Vote in whatever they like.
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Matt Black Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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