Not what that verse states as the sequence.
Is there any other way to read this verse?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by agedman, Aug 30, 2021.
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
So here you are saying that unless they were picked out by your version of God then they are condemned to hell without any chance of salvation. Your God does not seem very loving does He. -
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
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2) I do not subscribe to something invented by Wesley in order to bypass Scripture teaching and excuse errors. Corporate election is a human construction and has no Scripture support that does not diminish Divine Attributes. Either God has knowledge of all his creation and every aspect of that creation, irregardless of human time constraints, or one makes Him subservient to time and not the master and manipulator of time.
3) My perception of God’s outpouring of Love does not obligate Him in any manner. He is God, not my small intellectual capacity to question His Divine ways. I am obliged to honor Him by expressing, with as little hinderance as possible, His life through me. -
Though we agreed in many ways, when he began to drift and put the desire of popularity above the truth, he and I parted. I have not had contact with him in some years.
As he remains connected with the BB, I don’t have the permission to state anything more.
Sufficient it is to state, his views and mine no longer are in agreement. -
RipponRedeaux Well-Known Member
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
B) You asked for a non-Calvinistic interpretation and got one.
The word ordained does not have in the Bible the Calvinistic connotations that have been infused into it.
God ordained Judas Iscariot (Mk.3:14, John 15:16) along with the 12 to be an apostle and bear fruit, but you know what happened to that divine ordination.
God ordained that preachers should live of the gospel (1Co.9:14) but evidently not all do.
God ordained that we should walk in good works (Eph.2:10) but evidently we do not walk in all those works.
The angels ordained the law (Gal.3:19).
Barnabas and Paul ordained elders (Acts 14:23).
The apostles ordained decrees (Acts 16:4)
The commandment that was ordained to life turned out to be unto death (Rom.7:10).
And if you want to play the never-Biblically-sanctioned let's-show-off-our-Greek-knowledge game, you check out how τάσσω (tassō) is translated in the Bible and see that the connotations are not Calvinistic.
Those Gentiles were ordained to eternal life in so far that God opened (Acts 16:14) their heart to believe the way he had done to Lydia because they sought him by faith and received the love of the truth.
That's Bible, it always was Bible, you probably once knew your Bible that way, and it will always be Bible. -
Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Incorrect assumption.
We all deserve hell
it is a kind living and merciful God that would choose to save anyone.
that’s what it means to be at the mercy of God. We cannot do anything until He does something for us
salvation is a rescue mission by God
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You seem to think the word “ordained” is the same as “appointed”.
I would think they are two different words.
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. . . και επιστευσαν οσοι ησαν τεταγμενοι εις ζωην αιωνιον. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. -
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
But the passage continues, ' For the Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness......' Well that just about cuts everybody out. One group thinks the Gospel is sacrilege, the other thinks it's stupid. Who's going to believe? '........But to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God' (1 Corinthians 1:21-25).
Whether you like it or not, Acts of the Apostles 13:48 stands out in your theology like a proverbial pork pie at a Bar Mitzvah. 'And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.' To the rest it was a stumbling block or foolishness, but those whose hearts the Holy Spirit had called, it was salvation. -
George Antonios Well-Known Member
1Ch 26:16 To Shuppim and Hosah the lot came forth westward, with the gate Shallecheth, by the causeway of the going up, ward against ward.
1Ch 26:17 Eastward were six Levites, northward four a day, southward four a day, and toward Asuppim two and two.
1Ch 26:18 At Parbar westward, four at the causeway, and two at Parbar.
1Ch 26:19 These are the divisions of the porters among the sons of Kore, and among the sons of Merari. -
Because such was the presentation in two different geographic locations, and that the account by two different authors, then it would seem to be accurately portrayed. -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Tasso is used eight times in the N.T. In the KJV it is translated as 'ordained' in Romans 13:1; as 'appoint' in Matthew 28:16; Acts 22:10; 28:23; as 'addict' (Archaic usage) in 1 Corinthians 16:15; as 'determine' in Acts 15:2, and as 'set' in Luke 7:3. Those interested can look these occurrences up for themselves. The 'connotations' are perfectly compatible with Calvinism.
I have never joined in with the haters of the KJV - I am always happy to preach from it when asked - but if KJV-onlyism is being used because the Pastor is too lazy to study the Bible properly (c.f. 2 Timothy 2:15) or to keep people from a proper understanding of the Bible, then the sooner the KJV is consigned to history the better.
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