So then according to you, Jesus was hoping that the death on the cross (as opposed to what I have been saying, death in the Garden) would not happen, and that would make Him a false prophet. Is that correct? (See my post #19.)
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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Humble Disciple, Jul 23, 2021.
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One cannot hold intelligently to the view that Jesus was praying to avoid the cross without dealing with this issue. -
"Compare v 39:
39 And he went forward a little, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass away from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.
With v 53:
53 Or thinkest thou that I cannot beseech my Father, and he shall even now send me more than twelve legions of angels?
...and know that Christ COULD HAVE circumvented the cross simply by asking, but that's not what He was requesting in v 39." -
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Do you or do you not believe that in the Garden Jesus was praying to avoid the cross? Because I can't tell from taking a second look at what you've written. It should be a fairly simple exegesis, but what you are trying to say seems to me to be needlessly complicated. Verses you've referenced seem to me to be unconnected. -
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I see that as reading into the text. "Learned obedience" could also fit exactly with my interpretation: Christ submitted Himself to the Father's will, whether it be to die in the Garden and be resurrected there to face the cross. Either way, He knew He had to go to the cross, since He Himself had prophesied that, and He could not become a false prophet. So, He could not possibly have prayed to avoid the cross. -
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