Jesus Washing Osama's Feet

[Alive in Christ]

Saturneneptune...

Jesus Christ is to be worshiped and adored. He saved us. His washing of others feet taught us to be servents. It had the purpose of bringing others to Christ, as God commands. We are not to cast our pearls to swine. There are those who will never come to salvation, and if we use common sense, know who they are. They only use the Lord and Christians for their own worldly gain.

"There are those who will never come to salvation, and if we use common sense, know who they are.

Yep. Common sense will make it clear. Those who caught the women in the act of adultery, they caught her in the act. Common sense makes it clear what to do, doesnt it?

Stone her to death.

How did Jesus handle it?

...he who is without sin...

 

[saturneptune]

Saturneneptune...





Yep. Common sense will make it clear. Those who caught the women in the act of adultery, they caught her in the act. Common sense makes it clear what to do, doesnt it?

Stone her to death.

How did Jesus handle it?

He handles it by showing her mercy. How dare you compare that to a monster who kills thousands without a second thought and shows not one ounce of spirtual thought? How does an act of adultry compare to being so wound up with Satan and this world that it is obvious there is no hope for change? Are you so blinded you cannot see the difference between sin and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

It is my sincere wish that I could debate you anytime, anywhere, on theology.

 

[jaigner]

This is the most ignorant thread I have ever seen produced on this board. No explaination was needed. To even post such trash is beyond a slap in the face to the Lord. This goes beyond the political threads of making God in favor of the Republicans or Democrats, who are themselves trash. This makes my blood boil. For those who think there is a difference in the parties, this thread is in your face. To compare a Holy Lord to the garbage we have produced as human institutions is an outrage. Moderators, why was this thread not banned from the origin? To compare the Lord with such people is an outrage. Think about it, Jesus Christ washing the feet of George W. Bush, Osama, Barack, and other such parasites. Shame on all.

Whoa, cowboy, calm down a bit. I'm not comparing Christ to those folks. That should be pretty clear. And Christ washed the feet of Judas literally and countless others figuratively when he served them during his time on the earth.

Jesus Christ is to be worshiped and adored. He saved us. His washing of others feet taught us to be servents. It had the purpose of bringing others to Christ, as God commands. We are not to cast our pearls to swine. There are those who will never come to salvation, and if we use common sense, know who they are. They only use the Lord and Christians for their own worldly gain.

He made himself a servant, he humbled himself, and gave his life a ransom. That is his example for us.

How dare anyone make a Holy God a servent of followers of Satan.

You were born a follower of Satan, of darkness, just like the rest of us. Christ came to earth for us, Obama, Osama, Bush...

No, I would shoot him and let the Lord deal with it.

What a horrific thing to say.

Who is comparing the Lord with these folks? I'm saying the Lord came not to be served, but to serve and give his life.

We're no better than they, but the love of Christ has reached us. It can reach any of those people, too, for all we know.

I'm not going to judge you or your heart, since I don't know you and you seem to be a generally kind person. But I think your words here are certainly sub-Christian.[/QUOTE]

 

[Alive in Christ]

SaturnNeptune...

Me...

You would refuse to witness...share the gospel with a lost sinner...Bin Laden???

You...

No, I would shoot him and let the Lord deal with it.

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy

James 2:13 There will be no mercy for those who have not shown mercy to others. But if you have been merciful, God will be merciful when he judges you.

 

[Baptist Believer]

He handles it by showing her mercy. How dare you compare that to a monster who kills thousands without a second thought and shows not one ounce of spirtual thought?

Did Jesus die for Osama? What about Stalin? Hitler? Jeffrey Dahmer? Pol Pot? Nicolae Ceauşescu? Saddam Hussein? Charles Manson? Idi Amin? Jim Jones? Yasser Arafat? The highjackers of 9/11? Baptist Believer? SaturnNepture?

He died for all of us.

Those who have been redeemed (Dahmer, Baptist Believer and SaturnNepture) cannot assume that the miracle of redemption cannot happen for someone else while they are still walking this earth.

We have no right to say that our previous rebellion against God was any LESS effective at separating us from God, or any MORE effective from keeping us from God's grace than someone else's.

How does an act of adultry compare to being so wound up with Satan and this world that it is obvious there is no hope for change?

How do you know that there is no hope for change?

Wasn't Saul having Christians killed before Jesus interrupted his mission of persecution?

Are you so blinded you cannot see the difference between sin and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

You somehow know the difference between someone who has willingly committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and someone who is just evil because of their depraved spiritual condition and a false religion/ideology which drives their decisions?

God is sovereign and can work with anyone He chooses. I can certainly judge the fruit of someone else's life, but I cannot once-and-for-all say they are beyond redemption.

 

[saturneptune]

I stand by every word I said. I will defend the Lord being compared or being a servant against such trash until my last breath.

 

[jaigner]

I stand by every word I said. I will defend the Lord being compared or being a servant against such trash until my last breath.

The picture doesn't compare. It's not a comparison. I don't understand why that's so hard to understand.

It's an example of the love Christ showed to even the chief of sinners.

 

[saturneptune]

The picture doesn't compare. It's not a comparison. I don't understand why that's so hard to understand.

It's an example of the love Christ showed to even the chief of sinners.

Its called common sense. Pearls to swine does not make it. The Bible is a total picture, not verses you deem appropriate.

 

[Robert Snow]

The picture doesn't compare. It's not a comparison. I don't understand why that's so hard to understand.

It's an example of the love Christ showed to even the chief of sinners.

Some people cannot get past the shock of this picture, and the wonderful picture it shows of how a holy God reached down to sinful man.

At first, the oddity of the picture does cause a second take. But then, when viewed properly, it shows the example Jesus Christ left for us, serving others.

I can see though that a Calvinist might have trouble with it, but I'm not a Calvinist.

 

[kyredneck]

He handles it by showing her mercy......

He handled it by following the law. “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her....And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last...”. If two or more of them had remained to bear witness (“where are they? did no man condemn thee?”) He would have been bound by the law to allow the stoning. “...go thy way; from henceforth sin no more...” That's pure law, not mercy.

.....And Christ washed the feet of Judas literally ....

You're never going to tire of trying to build your case on that one point are you? I believe if we were able to ask Him why He washed Judas's feet it would be something along the lines of, 'that the scripture may be fulfilled'. Any which way you slice it, Judas was a chosen apostle, "Did I not choose you the twelve and one of you is a devil?" “Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, Who did eat of my bread, Hath lifted up his heel against me.” Judas was a part of that inner circle.

He made himself a servant, he humbled himself, and gave his life a ransom. That is his example for us.

He gave Himself a ransom for MANY. And we know Him no more after the flesh. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and it is blasphemy to place Him at the feet of one such as Osama bin Laden and I couldn't care less if you arrogantly group me with those “mostly misinformed, over-contextualized Christians” as you call us. You are dead wrong.

 

[saturneptune]

He handled it by following the law. “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her....And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last...”. If two or more of them had remained to bear witness (“where are they? did no man condemn thee?”) He would have been bound by the law to allow the stoning. “...go thy way; from henceforth sin no more...” That's pure law, not mercy.

I doubt we will ever agree on this, but basically, we are on the same side.

 

[jaigner]

You're never going to tire of trying to build your case on that one point are you?

Actually, I think this is the first time I've mentioned this point. You could check again, but that was others, not me.

He gave Himself a ransom for MANY. And we know Him no more after the flesh. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and it is blasphemy to place Him at the feet of one such as Osama bin Laden and I couldn't care less if you arrogantly group me with those “mostly misinformed, over-contextualized Christians” as you call us. You are dead wrong.

I didn't group you in. I don't even know you. I just pointed to the fact that this group exists and boasts huge numbers. That doesn't make me arrogant (which, by your definition, you are essentially calling yourself by saying I am "dead wrong."

I might be wrong. There's always the possibility of that. Or you could be wrong. There's the possibility of that, as well. I just want honest discussion of this, but many are not hitting the issue head-on. They are just getting offended and high-and-mighty and dogmatic.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Maybe I will be the only reformed brother here to say this, but the artist broke the Law of God when he made an image of God.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

In addition to what I said above, I actually appreciate on another level the idea. The washing of the feet, yes, is biblically incorrect.

However, the loving and serving of one's enemies is not. My artistic critique is that this artist really doesn't get it. This could have been very well done. There is not near enough emotion displayed on the faces and body language of those depicted.

Where is the amazement, bewilderment, anger, shame, indifference, brokeness?

It could have been done much, much better.

 

[kyredneck]

10 In love of the brethren be tenderly affectioned one to another; in honor preferring one another;
11 in diligence not slothful; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
12 rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing stedfastly in prayer;
13 communicating to the necessities of the saints; given to hospitality.
14 Bless them that persecute you; bless, and curse not.
15 Rejoice with them that rejoice; weep with them that weep.
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Set not your mind on high things, but condescend to things that are lowly. Be not wise in your own conceits.
17 Render to no man evil for evil. Take thought for things honorable in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as in you lieth, be at peace with all men.
19 Avenge not yourselves, beloved, but give place unto the wrath of God: for it is written, Vengeance belongeth unto me; I will recompense, saith the Lord.
20 But if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him to drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Ro 12

Jaigner, RB, in the context of the above passage there is 'the brethren', 'the saints', 'thine enemy'. Do you believe that Paul is referring to unregenerate, unbelieving , or unfamiliar enemies? Or is it more likely that our enemies here are actually brothers that we know in the Lord?

How far do you take this loving and serving your enemies? The intruder in your home that is bent on causing you and your family harm, are you going to preach the gospel to him, or pray for them?

And there's something different about this enemy. We're told not to even greet them:

10 If any one cometh unto you, and bringeth not this teaching, receive him not into your house, and give him no greeting:
11 for he that giveth him greeting partaketh in his evil works. 2 Jn

What's the difference between these two sets of enemies?


[edit] Actually these questions are posed to anyone, not just Jaigner or RB. If you have answers I'd love to hear them.

 

[jaigner]

How far do you take this loving and serving your enemies? The intruder in your home that is bent on causing you and your family harm, are you going to preach the gospel to him, or pray for them?

I'm mulling over the text and checking out the TNIV for clarity, but I can answer this one quickly.

I would defend myself and loved ones only as much as I absolutely had to. I do own a gun, but wouldn't use it unless our lives were in immediate danger and I had no other options.

But I tell you this: if I ever had to use force, it would be the most unfortunate situation I could imagine. I doubt I would ever be the same.

 

[Alive in Christ]

jaigner...

I would defend myself and loved ones only as much as I absolutely had to. I do own a gun, but wouldn't use it unless our lives were in immediate danger and I had no other options.

But I tell you this: if I ever had to use force, it would be the most unfortunate situation I could imagine. I doubt I would ever be the same.

Thats exactly how I feel about it. Violence, fighting, shooting etc are are, of course, ALWAYS to be the absolute LAST option...when all of the civil, peaceful, *right thinking* options have failed, and we have no choice but to choose the horrendous option of violence and/or shooting.

 

[freeatlast]

How far do you take this loving and serving your enemies? The intruder in your home that is bent on causing you and your family harm, are you going to preach the gospel to him, or pray for them?

I would not wait to see if he meant harm I would assume he did and take him out the best way I could.

 

[blackbird]

Someone once asked me what I would do if Osama came in to my church service---heard the gospel presented---responded in form of being saved and making a public profession of faith and had a desire to be baptised---what would I do??

I told them that I would present Osama to the church as candidate for baptism upon his verbal profession of faith---and I would then proceed to baptize him and then say to him

"Brother Osama----you see those FBI agents seated in the back of the worship center??---its time you turn yourself over to them without incident!!"--------to which I would personally escort him to the waiting agents and see to it that hand and ankle cuffs were placed in proper working order!!!

 

[saturneptune]

The message of the Gospel is not "I'm OK, you're OK." It seems almost all on this thread do not understand the concept of righteous anger. It seems the Scriptures give plenty of examples of this by the Lord, like the Pharisees and the moneychangers in the temple. Now, the prostitute was mentioned above, and the Lord treated her totally different than the Pharisees. If the Lord treats the two different, why can you not see the difference? There seems to be quite a misunderstanding of basic concepts.

I know, for all you kumbaya people, maybe your next invitation song could be "All we are saying is give peace a chance" with John Lennon.