To All:
Lou Martuneac wants all of you to buy his book. He seems completely incapable of posting scripture, though. In fact, his entire 296 page book "In Defense of a Forgery" (did I get that right?) Talks about Macarthur, and how MacArthur just cannot be right, because His underwear is the wrong color, and he likes beets. No Christian can like beets.
Sorry, Lou, I am not buying your book. I can get toilet paper much cheaper from Wal mart.
Lordship’s “Turn From Sin” FOR Salvation
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Lou Martuneac, Jul 21, 2008.
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Must a Lost Man "turn from sin" to Receive the Gift of Eternal Life?
Poll closed Jul 31, 2008.
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Yes
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I'm Not Sure
0 vote(s)0.0%
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You are a class act, Havensdad. You are giving Christ a great name. :rolleyes:
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Hehe. Trying to lighten the mood. Do you need a sense of humor? I have some I can spare...
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Quite frankly, I am just tired of Lou saying "MacArthur is wrong because I say so". Some scripture WOULD be nice. -
Lightening the mood by attacking someone might give you your kicks, and that's a sad thing for a believer, but attack the position and not the individual.
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Bro, If joking is a sad thing for a believer, I truly feel for you. Why haven't you leveled your same criticisms against Lou? I think we all know why.
Besides, I cannot discuss nor attack His scriptural position. He refuses to elucidate it, because He knows it will be thrashed. He is just here to sell His book, and attack preachers of God's word. -
What we are told to do is "repent", "believe", and "call upon the Lord." Then the Holy Spirit will work within us to make us like Christ. We cannot change ourselves; God must do it.
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I realize that he has a significant amount invested in not being wrong, since he has committed himself in print to a position, and it takes enormous humility and integrity to repent and withdraw a book from publication. So I can understand why he might not want to have a real discussion of the issues. -
Let me ask you something, is turning from sin considered a work? If not...what is it exactly? Is it "fruit"?
Since you are not a calvinist, do you believe someone can turn from sin without the working of God in their life? -
Here is a site from an LS apologist. If one cannot see the errors of this doctrine, I don't know what else to say...
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/lordship.htm
It's amazing the faulty premises one needs to start with in order to believe this. -
"turning from sin" is not a work, any more than "having faith" is a work. They are both directions, or our "focus". "Faith" is believing and trusting something or someone.If I have "faith" in my seatbelt, I put it on.
When Christ speaks of such things, it is always in either/or categories. EITHER you have faith in the world, in your sin, etc., OR you have faith in Christ. EITHER you serve God, OR you serve the Devil. When you are saved, you do not say "Jesus save me, but I want to keep on sinning". No. You say "Jesus forgive me, a sinner".
We cannot "serve two masters". When we turn TO one, we automatically turn FROM the other. "Forsaking sin", is not an action, any more than faith is an action. "Forsaking sin" is a PART OF faith, which always shows itself in action. -
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This is what we see with David for example. Yet David always turned back to God: God made sure of that. When David sinned with Bathsheba, God sent Nathan to place David back on the path.
Faith DOES always show itself in action though; even GES churches teach this. When we sin, for example, by stealing, it is because of a lack of faith in God that He will provide for us. As scripture says, 1Jn 2:4 Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him" -
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Moreover, if Jesus is indeed the very incarnation of God who came to seek and save those who are perishing, don't you think His teaching on the subject, as recording in the gospels, is highly relevant?
Jesus teaches that effort to enter into the narrow gate/door is required. (Luke 13:24) Furthermore, Jesus called people to leave their old lives behind and follow Him. The teachings of Jesus clearly indicate that those who wish to enter into Christ's life must turn from their old ways to new ways.
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However, whether or not one agrees or disagrees theologically with either Lou Martuneac, Havensdad, or John MacArthur, this post was entirely uncalled for!
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So was this one:
Now, just because Mr. Martuneac wishes to veil his insults in more highbrow language, that some might not fully appreciate, in no way lessens what he is saying. -
Besides I have been reading Martin Luther for three weeks. That was tame!
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