A 2000 year old lie is still a lie.
Talk to the martyrs like Jan Huss for your outcry.
Somehow you can't conceive of a political institution killing off those who disagree. Did you ever think about how Rome (the capital of the Empire) declared itself the one true church? I doubt you have. You're a puppet of the regime...
Luther Was Error Free In Every Religious Doctrine
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by John Yurich, May 24, 2017.
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Show me someone who is saved who does not love God and you win your argument. Its quite simple. -
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Where a new heresy "Catholicism" is encountered for the first time, especially if you hold the church was never right.
Something that was never right can't fall into apostasy.
There is a reason they are called REFORMIST and PROTESTANT rather then just the christian faith. That is why newer denominations dump the Reformist and Protestant title in hopes of looking less stupid then they are.
Catholic church it was always evil, well when did it show up?
Catholic church turned evil, well when did it become corrupt?
Pick one and give us some dates and names.
Your best bet is to argue the immediate corruption the apostles and the church. All those early church fathers immediately with the apostles are teaching things like the real presence in the Eucharist. -
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But to declare we don't need sacraments is mistake because he hears a fancy word like sacrament and has his own wild idea of what it means.
God's forgiveness is a sacrament.
If he's saying we can't earn or merit justification, That is fine we never taught this. -
It means by itself.
Do you have any verses that teach Faith Alone is greater then Jesus Christ?
Your Idolatry of faith, is unacceptable.
You want verse that says no to faith alone? I can give you a couple:
The entire chapter of James 2 is geared towards that "fellow" who thinks faith alone can save him.
James 2
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
The following verse not only knocks out faith, but someone with not only complete faith, BUT DIRECT KNOWLEDGE and complete understanding this is even omniscience. YOU can KNOW everything, that is past trusting and faith that there is milk in the fridge, you absolutely know the the truth that it is there.
This is a faith moving mountains, athiest dont have faith in God to move anything. This is someone moving mountains! they know the truth!
1 Corinthians 13
2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
They are NOTHING. not saved. -
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Before that every church just considered themselves to be followers of Jesus, not bound to a group political in Rome. Pull your head out of the popes lap, utilyan. -
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John 3
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Love is the Boss, Aka God.
1 John 4
8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1 John 4
16We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
The one who abides in love. THE ONE WHO ABIDES IN LOVE. <<----- Abides in God.
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Consider the following testimony. Tertullian, in The Demurrer Against the Heretics (A.D. 200), noted of Rome, “How happy is that church . . . where Peter endured a passion like that of the Lord, where Paul was crowned in a death like John’s [referring to John the Baptist, both he and Paul being beheaded].” It was commonly accepted, from the very first, that both Peter and Paul were martyred at Rome, probably in the Neronian persecution in the 60s.
Tertullian also wrote that “this is the way in which the apostolic churches transmit their lists: like the church of the Smyrnaeans, which records that Polycarp was placed there by John; like the church of the Romans, where Clement was ordained by Peter.”
This Clement, known as Clement of Rome, later would be the fourth pope. Clement wrote his Letter to the Corinthians perhaps before the year 70, just a few years after Peter and Paul were killed; in it he made reference to Peter ending his life where Paul ended his. -
Well traditional ceremonies is only because we think God deserves better then Kool-aid and Crackers.
The Sacraments themselves are gift from God.
Commands of God we do those for free. We are not gold diggers seeking salvation first or too lazy like calvinist to do anything for God if it doesn't earn them anything.
You guys don't even pray for forgiveness. -
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We hold communion solemnly because we remember Yeshua's great love in atoning for our sin at Calvary. We don't hold the elements to be anything more than chemicals bonded together.
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