Mental illness and the Baptist Chuch

Seeking- Sometimes there's no reasoning with someone who's riding a high horse with a burr under its saddle.

 

Since my remark about "mentally ill" people in the thread on boycotting Disney was apparently the impetus for this discussion, I just want to point out that my comment was not snide.

I was speaking very seriously about a real problem. There are people who have mental illnesses who obsess about things (in the context of the post - going frame by frame through Disney movies to allegedly find secret messages that will corrupt children) that aren't really there.

Seekingthetruth seems to be a bit oversensitive (probably because of past abuses) and has assumed I was making a snide remark. I have responded to his concerns here.

 

Seriously?

No. I'm mocking some of those in this thread who have an unbiblical and erroneous view of what leads to illness.

 

I thought so, but was just checking....whew!!!:godisgood:

John

 

My apologies BB. If you constantly heard the stuff like Fred and FAL are saying on here then i reckon you might get a little sensitive too.

I wish I had a movie of my life. The first 50 years of undiagnosed mental illness, and the last 3 of constant improvement.

As long as my life is improving it does't really matter what people like Fred and FAL think.

John:thumbsup:

 

Exactly! It is just more unsubstantiated statements, And the same goes for this liberal clouded claim of mental illness instead of it being an excuse to not deal with sin.

 

I understand. There's no harm done. I just don't want to be misunderstood.

I had a nephew who was bi-polar and a Christian. He struggled with his condition for years until the bottom dropped out for him emotionally and he put a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger.

We live in a fallen world and are all touched with some level of weakness and disability all the way down to the genetic level.

I am aware of the demonic realm and have cast out real demons (with physical manifestations occurring throughout the room, so you can be sure it was not just a person putting on an act), and I looked for signs of demonic oppression in my nephew. There was none.

Certainly demonic oppression and demonization creates mental illness, most are mentally ill in a "natural" way.

Yes. This earthly life is too short to worry about the opinions of people who aren't helping you follow Jesus effectively.

If they say something that's helpful or has clear basis in the scripture, then by all means pay attention and see what you can learn. But those who assume you must have hidden sin are simply projecting their own prejudices and character on you.

A wise pastor, who has been my most influential mentor, told me many years ago: "Pay attention to what preachers tend to preach most about: they are telling you what they personally struggle with." My current pastor preaches all the time about loving others. One day when we were having lunch together, I said to him, "I suspect that you greatest area of difficulty in your private life is loving those who don't love you." He was stunned because I hit the nail on the head. I told him how I came to that opinion and he realized it was true. No matter what he was preaching about, he usually mentioned the importance of loving one another as Christ has loved us because that is something he constantly reminds himself to do. Preachers who constantly preach about sexual immorality or against counseling and drug therapy for mental illness are almost certainly dealing very heavily with these issues with members of their congregations and/or personal lives.

 

I agree! :thumbs:

 

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The thing about know-it-allism is that pride blinds the one who has it to what everyone else can see.

 

I agree!!!

Of course there are those who are myopic on this topic.

There always will be.

Kind of like the preacher who states, "The Bible has the answer for every question" but takes his care to the dealer to repair it.

 

I have been around many who have been diagnosed with mental illness. However I simply do not accept the claim when the claim is because of behavior.
The scripture is clear;
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

All sin is a result of willful choice, and using pills to cover it does not fix the problem.
Today I have no doubt that most if not all the characters in the bible whether they knew the Lord or not would be diagnosed today as having a mental illness and put on meds as they excuse their sin.

 

Sadly , you are correct.

It is sad when voices in the head that tell one to cut himself or herself are not recognized for what they truly are, but are quieted with mind-altering drugs.

I believe I will get up from this table and walk away. Nothing edifying at it at all. Nothing but worldly food to satisfy man's desires.

 

Sounds to me like proof was in you home and you still didn't see it.

Here is a good site of much info on the problem of sin being covered by drugs...

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/

 

Jesus' disciples also tried to cast demons out of someone once and were not able. Some are just not qualified to cast out demons..