Featured Miracles

You go against God’s Word so that you can defend the lie of Calvin.

Stop trying to pretend I said something I did not say. It is laughable. Jesus doing miracles and wanting people to believe in him, even because of the miracles…is something that Calvinists cannot deal with.

You deny Jesus’ words again. While Jesus was on earth, he came only for the lost sheep of Israel. After Jesus was lifted up, he brought in the other fold.

John 17 is speaking of those who BELONGED TO GOD FIRST, THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL BELIEVED IN GOD FIRST BECAUSE JESUS WAS NOT YET KNOWN. AFTER JESUS CAME TO EARTH, THE LOST SHEEP NOW HAD TO GO THROUGH JESUS. THEY WERE GOD’S, BUT GOD GAVE THEM TO JESUS. THEY WERE GOD’S, AND THEY BELIEVED JESUS WAS FROM GOD. ONLY THE LOST SHEEP COULD COME TO JESUS UNTIL JESUS WAS LIFTED UP. That is the Word of God!

 

Study these scriptures carefully:

Matthew 11:20Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. 21 “Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 11:23
And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.

Why do you think that Jesus said that? Why do you think that Jesus said if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day?

Mark 6:2
When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. “Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles!
Luke 10:13
“Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

Why do you think that Jesus said these things about those places who did not believe in him because of the miracles?

Luke 19:37
When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:
John 10:25
Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me,
John 10:32
but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
John 10:38
But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

Did you see that?

John 14:11
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

Did you see that? Those are Jesus’ words. You are not fighting against me you are fighting against Jesus.

John 15:24
If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.

 

Excuse me, but I can make a post about Calvinist topics if I want. Who are you to tell me not to make this about Calvinism?

You just proved it goes against Calvinism, for you repeat what you have heard your leaders say. If Jesus was not successful, as you say, then you would have to deny that there are people who believed him, and that there are people who are saved! Your argument is nonsense.

Gentiles were not included till God allowed Gentiles to be included, read about Peter’s vision. As for some Gentiles being healed before that, being healed of a physical ailment does NOT mean they were already included in salvation.

 

Show scripture that says that.

Who said the believing in the miracles means a person does not have to believe Jesus?

It is strange that you would even go there.

The scriptures about the miracles is something Calvinists cannot grasp, because if people believe in Jesus only after first being saved, then miracles would not ever even be done, and Jesus would not say EVEN THOUGH YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME. BELIEVE THE MIRACLES. THAT YOU MAY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME, AND I IN THE FATHER.
Why would Jesus say that if they cannot believe anyway?
I made this post so that Calvinists and Lutherans could consider more carefully, what the word says.

 

That goes for you.

Do not be deceitful, you are the one who claims my beliefs make Jesus unsuccessful.

You speak blasphemy against Jesus. I will not continue to speak about this with you any further.

 

No, that is your problem, because you do not even understand that about your own religion. Calvinists believe that no one can believe in God until God saves them.

 

I am only speaking scripture. Your conclusions and reasoning is error.

 

Annsni said, “Jesus disobeyed then.” Jesus WAS only sent to the lost sheep of Israel! Jesus DID heal the Canaanite woman’s daughter!


Originally Posted by annsni
Oh - so being healed means nothing but believing miracles saves. Interesting theology. Let's take a look at the whole context - and response of Jesus - of one of the verses you mentioned:
Matthew 15: He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” 26 And he answered, “It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.” 28 Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly.[e]
Wow - JUST the lost sheep of Israel? Jesus disobeyed then.

 

Maybe now you will consider leaving such a religion.
You can do an Internet search and find what I said to be true. Here is just one of many sites telling you that Calvinists believe no one can believe in God even after learning of Him, until God saves them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_depravity

Total depravity (also called absolute inability, radical corruption, total corruption, or Augustinianism[citation needed]) is a theological doctrine that derives from the Augustinian concept of original sin. It is the teaching that, as a consequence of the Fall of Man, every person born into the world is enslaved to the service of sin and, apart from the efficacious or prevenient grace of God, is utterly unable to choose to follow God or choose to accept salvation as it is offered.