I would like to answer that but quite frankly I do not understand what your questions is. What you have posted backs up what I am saying. Of course we all know the passages about being sober minded.
Moderation is what helps- not teetotalism
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Luke2427, Aug 16, 2013.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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That's not congruent with the weaker brother principle in Scripture.
We cannot go verse by verse properly without first getting the overall context. That is what I provided.
It does mean ignorant when the issue is REPEATEDLY identified in the text as knowledge versus LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
The weaker brother is one who does not know what the stronger brother knows. That is why he is weaker.
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It is proven fact of science that pipe smoking is a major cause of cancer to the mouth. Any kind of second hand smoke is damaging to the health of others, not only to yourself.
Smoking won't send you to hell; it will only make you smell like you have already been there.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, beneficial about smoking.
Smoking and alcohol are the two biggest drains on our health care system. If people gave them up what a tremendous savings in cost to all involved there would be in the health care system. Their resources could be allocated to those who really need it.
The context is one who, as soon as he left home began to drink. He also joined the army at the same time, presumably was not married. Marriage was not in the equation. Sex is wrong outside of marriage. And that is what I said. I was also speaking of sex with more than one partner. Is that all right within the bounds of marriage? You don't seem to read and understand well.
The word "vice" is a noun; "a vice." It is not a verb--something you do, as you have defined it.
--Drinking alcohol, whether one glass or one firkin is a vice. It is the "drinking of alcohol" that is the vice. It is the corruption, the wickedness, the moral depravity. It has nothing to do with the amount. Have you had your firkin today?
(In answer to your other post, just as we don't speak middle English today [most don't have any idea what a firkin is], so people wouldn't speak koine Greek or OT Hebrew today either. Learning to speak Biblical languages would be a vain exercise in discipline, not a profitable one.)
When the government raises taxes on alcoholic beverages and tobacco they deliberately call it a "sin tax." Even the unsaved know that it is a "vice." They call it "sin." It is amazing how the government will label these as sin, but a man who says he is a baptist pastor will not. Truly amazing!
Even governments say otherwise.
--But am I to assume that you will inject yourself with heroin, even in "moderation,"? Are you really saying that? Will snort cocaine? Do it in front of your children? Teach them to do it "moderately" so the world doesn't have to teach them? Really--not a vice??
Nooooo. It is not a vice!! It is just illegal; comes with a jail sentence, and in some countries the death penalty is attached to it. A vice??
And then you tell me I am the one without knowledge.
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Excellent post DHK, I agree with you 100%.
Nevertheless, I think even you would enjoy this video;
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A US Surgeon General report “Smoking and Health”(No. 1103, page 112) noted,“Death rates for current pipe smokers were little if at all higher than for non-smokers, even with men smoking 10 pipefuls per day and with men who had smoked pipes for more than 30 years.” On page 92 the report also stated, “Pipe smokers who inhale live as long as nonsmokers and pipe smokers that don’t inhale live longer than non-smokers. -
I should not have to tell you that. There is not a reputable exegete on the planet who does not know that. -
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
In these verses we see that deacons and aged women are allowed to drink wine, but not to excess, however, bishops are not to drink at all. That means that Paul is advocating moderation in the consumption of alcohol when it comes to deacons and aged women.
The ESV renders 1 Tim 3:8-- Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine,, NASB says the same thing and the NIV does so at Titus 2:3.
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Take that and put it in your pipe.
But you will not take that info because you simply want to justify your vices no matter what they are. Truth is denied at all costs, isn't it? -
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Here is what MacArthur says on p. 75 in his book "Pastoral Ministry,"
Either way they could not be given to wine, addicted to wine, etc.
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