More questions about Andersonville Theological Seminary

[prophecy2007ad]

Of course that is education. Anyone can learn any subject without attending a school. However to attend a school to earn a degree is not free. "Offical" education is not free.

Oh, ... Official? ... lol ... that's cute ...

Are you a hater of non-regionally accredited degrees?

Well for the sake of argument, there are a few online institutions which infact do offer free degrees. They are unaccredited of course, but it don't cost a dime.

The North American Reformed Seminary (http://www.tnars.net/)

North American Theological Society (http://theologyamerica.org/)

Those two use to be affiliated, but broke away from each other.

There are others as well as the two I linked, but I don't see the point in listing them.

 

[StefanM]

How about this.

I am starting the StefanM school of theology. Read your Bible all the way through 25 times, and I'll give you a PhD.

 

[prophecy2007ad]

How about this.

I am starting the StefanM school of theology. Read your Bible all the way through 25 times, and I'll give you a PhD.

Is it accredited? lmao

 

[Ehud]

Martin

No evangelical seminary will take your Bible away from you.

Martin what is your final authority so I will not get the Gestapo upset you can answer on the bible translation page.

Most men, 98% who graduate from the accredited seminaries do not have a final authority or can tell you where it is. And they paid 30,000 bucks :laugh:

Ehud

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[Havensdad]

Originally Posted by prophecy2007ad
But for those that cannot afford $300 + per credit hr and not concerned with being accredited by the U.S. dept. of ed., then Andersonville is the place to go.

==There was a time when that would have been a valid reason. However with distance learning in which a person can take one class at a time and assistance from financial aide, pell, churches, mission boards, friends, and family, etc, I don't see how such a reason is all that valid anymore. When I was in seminary I paid for it one class or two classes at a time.

I saw this post earlier. I wholeheartedly disagree. When a "Class" costs 1000 to 1500 , it does not really help to pay it "one class at a time". I attend a small church, that cannot offer much help with such things. Family is broke, too.

#1 I would not attend Andersonville, because their academics are not up to par, not because their not "accredited" by Uncle Sam.

#2 It is ridiculous that Universities that are teaching about Jesus Christ, and equipping the saints, are charging 300 to 400 dollars per credit hour for their classes, when BYU a regionally accredited MORMON university, only charges 135 dollars per credit hour for classes on Physics, Algebra, etc.....

#3 I thank the Lord that their are accredited universities out there, that do not charge such ridiculous and outrageous fees. I am an itinerant evangelist, with a wife and three children, who's only choice is distance education (of course, I get plenty of "networking" through my work), and I am proud to be earning my degree from the South African Theological Seminary.

If I had 50 billion dollars in the Bank, I would still not give a dime of it to vampiric Seminaries that drain the Church and it's people of Resources. Thank God for Accredited, Christ like universities that obey the command of "Give freely".

 

[Martin]

Martin

Martin what is your final authority so I will not get the Gestapo upset you can answer on the bible translation page.

Most men, 98% who graduate from the accredited seminaries do not have a final authority or can tell you where it is. And they paid 30,000 bucks

Ehud

==Where is your evidence? Everyone I know who graduates from evangelical seminaries believes the Bible as their final authority.

You have slandered fine schools and fine men with false accusations. It is time for you to provide some proof or repent of your slander.

 

[Martin]

I saw this post earlier. I wholeheartedly disagree. When a "Class" costs 1000 to 1500 , it does not really help to pay it "one class at a time".

==When I was working on my MA through Liberty a class did not cost that much. There is also financial aid and pell grants. Schools, like Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, also have payment plans.

#2 It is ridiculous that Universities that are teaching about Jesus Christ, and equipping the saints, are charging 300 to 400 dollars per credit hour for their classes, when BYU a regionally accredited MORMON university, only charges 135 dollars per credit hour for classes on Physics, Algebra, etc.....

==I don't know about BYU's financial status or where they get their funding from. Many private evangelical seminaries run on tuition and whatever gifts they can get. That is how they pay their staff and professors, that is how they get the books for their library and archieves, and that is how they pay their bills. If more people or churches would support seminaries they could cut tution costs. Keep in mind these institutions can't run for free and, if they want quality, they have to pay for it. Those costs are, in turn, passed on to the students. The only way to off-set those costs is gifts from churches and Christians who support the schools.

Many evangelical seminaries try to keep their tuition rates down. Liberty Seminary has put a cap on their tuition rates, as have others. Generally private seminaries do a good job keeping their tuition rates down. Don't believe me? Compare Southeastern, Liberty, Luther Rice, etc, to secular private schools like Duke, Wake Forest, Campbell, Harvard, Yale, etc. You can still get a wonderful education at most of the evangelical seminaries for far less money than the same type of education from a private secular school.

Therefore calling these schools "vampiric" is really unfair. If they wanted to, they could raise their tuition rates much higher and be totally justified in doing so. However most evangelical seminaries work hard to keep from doing that.

#3 I thank the Lord that their are accredited universities out there, that do not charge such ridiculous and outrageous fees. I am an itinerant evangelist, with a wife and three children, who's only choice is distance education (of course, I get plenty of "networking" through my work), and I am proud to be earning my degree from the South African Theological Seminary.

==My understanding is that SATS is a fine school that will enjoy wide acceptance around the world. Keep in mind, that SATS is a distance learning school and does not have the over-head that a campus university has.

 

[Ehud]

Liberty accepts andersonville credits??

This is posted at http://forums.degreeboard.com/showthread.php?t=1841
not sure how accurate it is.

Andersonville Seminary

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Andersonville Seminary, Camilla, GA, which used to be Andersonville Baptist
Theological Seminary, claims Liberty University, Lynchburg, VA has accepted
Andersonville credits into their DL graduate program. Their newsletter
states, in part, "Graduates Granted Entrance into Liberty Program. Three
graduates have reported to Andersonville Theological Seminary their
acceptance into the distance learning graduate program at Liberty University
in Lynchburg, Va. Two of those students have forwarded copies of their
acceptance letter or emails to us."
--
Jimmy
_________________________________
Rev. James W. Clifton, LCSW
Pastor, Bengal Christian Church, Franklin, IN
B.S., Delta State University, Cleveland, MS
Th.M., Bethany Divinity College/Seminary, Dothan, AL
Ph.D., Bethany
M.S., (in progress) California College for Health Sciences, National City,
CA
Ph.D., (dissertation proposal in review) Vista University, South Africa

ehud

 

[prophecy2007ad]

Your silence is my evidence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If this is truly true, then why do they run to the Greek? If the Bible is truly the final authority then the Greek would not correct the English Bible. You would not here men; professors say "the translators made an error here. OR A better translation, yada, yada, yada

See, as soon as you take a Greek class they start taking your Bible from you. The “Greek” shows the errors in the final authority, which now the Greek becomes the authority.

A final authority is a book you hold in your hand and say this is the 100% preserved word of God. This is the only way the Bible can become a final Authority.

Ehud

I'm sorry Ehud, but I have to agree with Martin on this one; The bible "IS" the final authority, and why? Because it's God's word.

I shall quote the scriptures...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God…" (2 Timothy 3:16)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21)

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." (Psalms 12:6-7)

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matthew 24:35)

"Thy word [is] true [from] the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments [endureth] for ever." (Psalm 119:160 )
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Those are just a few examples why the bible (God's Word) "is" the final authority.

 

[paidagogos]

How do you know?

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[paidagogos]

The inspired English

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[Rhetorician]

Martin Addendum

==Where is your evidence? Everyone I know who graduates from evangelical seminaries believes the Bible as their final authority.

You have slandered fine schools and fine men with false accusations. It is time for you to provide some proof or repent of your slander.

Martin,

I hope you are well.

Do you really think that arguing with someone who wants to go to a non-accredited school and who shows implications of "KJV Onlyism" really wants a real education?

Think about it!?

As they say in the Navy:

"That is all!"

 

[prophecy2007ad]

Martin,

I hope you are well.

Do you really think that arguing with someone who wants to go to a non-accredited school and who shows implications of "KJV Onlyism" really wants a real education?

Think about it!?

As they say in the Navy:

"That is all!"

Oh, so to get a "real" education, one has to earn an accredited degree? Think again. Bah!

 

[TCGreek]

An accredited institution like Liberty accepting credits from UA school is the exception rather than the rule.

 

[webdog]

This is posted at http://forums.degreeboard.com/showthread.php?t=1841
not sure how accurate it is.

Andersonville Seminary

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Andersonville Seminary, Camilla, GA, which used to be Andersonville Baptist
Theological Seminary, claims Liberty University, Lynchburg, VA has accepted
Andersonville credits into their DL graduate program. Their newsletter
states, in part, "Graduates Granted Entrance into Liberty Program. Three
graduates have reported to Andersonville Theological Seminary their
acceptance into the distance learning graduate program at Liberty University
in Lynchburg, Va. Two of those students have forwarded copies of their
acceptance letter or emails to us."
--
Jimmy
_________________________________
Rev. James W. Clifton, LCSW
Pastor, Bengal Christian Church, Franklin, IN
B.S., Delta State University, Cleveland, MS
Th.M., Bethany Divinity College/Seminary, Dothan, AL
Ph.D., Bethany
M.S., (in progress) California College for Health Sciences, National City,
CA
Ph.D., (dissertation proposal in review) Vista University, South Africa

ehud

Anybody confirm this?

If this is true, why would Liberty accept these credits (regardless if they are the exception or the norm...they are a respected, accredited school, even from the posts on this thread)

 

[TCGreek]

Webdog, it has been well-documented that Liberty accepts credits from LBU, but I don't know about Bethany or Andersonville.

 

[Martin]

Anybody confirm this?

If this is true, why would Liberty accept these credits (regardless if they are the exception or the norm...they are a respected, accredited school, even from the posts on this thread)

==I can't, but I suspect these are undergraduate credits that are being accepted and not graduate. Notice the statement "Three graduates have reported to Andersonville Theological Seminary their acceptance into the distance learning graduate program at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va.". Still, however, I would touch base with Liberty before assuming that they will honor anything from Andersonville.

 

[Martin]

Do you really think that arguing with someone who wants to go to a non-accredited school and who shows implications of "KJV Onlyism" really wants a real education?

==Good point. :wavey:

 

[Martin]

Your silence is my evidence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

==Silence on what? I answered your "question". You have still not shown that people who attend evangelical seminaries have their bibles taken away from them (as you claimed).

If this is truly true, then why do they run to the Greek?

==Maybe because the New Testament was written in Greek. Sort of the same reason ancient historians prefer texts in Latin, etc. From an academic standpoint, the primary language is always better than a translation.

If the Bible is truly the final authority then the Greek would not correct the English Bible.

==Since the Bible was not written in English, that is not true. Our English Bibles are translations of Scripture. Like all translations of ancient texts, as we learn more about ancient languages we learn ways to improve our translations.

See, as soon as you take a Greek class they start taking your Bible from you. The “Greek” shows the errors in the final authority, which now the Greek becomes the authority.

==First, I have taken a year of Greek at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. Second, what you have said here is not true. Third, Andersonville now offers Greek classes. Fourth, you defended and even recommended Andersonville. So your criticism of Greek classes seems a bit weird.

 

[UZThD]

Thanks for your response. I appreciate all the opinions and the advice that a non-accredited degree limits the doors that my be open for me. But I already have a B.A that can open secular doors for me if that was my goal.

It appears that all the opinions against a non-accredited theological degree have more to do with a lack of secular recognition than a lack of adequate biblical training. My goal is to become well educated in sound biblical doctrine and to prepare myself for possible pastorial ministry down the road. If my goal was to use my theological degree in a secular position or gain recognition and respect by acadamia then I would be more compelled to agree that the accreditation was vital. However, no one has provided specific reasons that would lead me to believe that a non accredited seminary provides a substandard biblical education based on that lack of accreditation.

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In my opinion graduate studies in Bible/Theology are likely better taught by professors who have earned, accredited doctorates in Bible/Theology. There are a few exceptional individuals who are good despite not being so qualified. As far as I know ATS has no profs with such doctorates or with such exceptions. The last time I looked, their website did not seem very willing reveal the faculty and their specific training. I'm not an expert in praxis, so will not include such as homiletics, church planting, counseling and the like in my opinion. Probably much and successful experience in ministry enables one to teach much about ministry. Neither would I include undergrad studies.

Certainly even the finest degreed professor is much lacking if he/she is not orthodox in doctrine, is not a servant of God and Church, and does not give his/her all to the instruction of those he/she teaches.

Also if a student is unable or unwilling (meaning no one here!!) to rise to the challenge of rigorous and high expectations, then, too, it doesn't matter much how the prof is qualified does it. In such cases, ATS might be indeed a good match.