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"My body, my choice," I believe we can say the same here!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, May 4, 2021.

  1. Salty

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    No need to admit that phrase is correct.

    Simply showing them their hypocrisy !
     
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    It's only hypocrisy if they believe that the unborn life inside a woman is not a person.

    What they mean by the phrase is that they have bodily autonomy in an area that does not affect anyone else. In the context from which my comment was excised, the phrase was used as an "excuse" (his word) not to take the vaccine that makes both he and his neighbor safer.

    Persons opposed to abortion usually respond to the "my body, my choice" argument by claiming the unborn life inside of the pregnant woman's body must be protected. So for someone who is prolife to use the "my body, my choice" argument is exceptionally hypocritical UNLESS they believe the lives of human beings who are already born have no value/personhood. So your claim that it is "their" hypocrisy is completely wrong.

    One cannot truly be pro-life and only be concerned about the unborn, while ignoring the value of lives already born.
     
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  3. Salty

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    BUT IT DOES affect someone else - the soon-to-be-born baby!

    and thus my previous statement of "Simply showing them their hypocrisy !" still strongly stands!
     
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    If the abortion remains, what ever happens afterwards really a moot point, as just a dead baby!
     
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    Yes, but most people who are advocates of abortion don't see the life inside the pregnant woman as being a "baby," much less a person.

    Let me give you a true illustration that may help you understand my point:

    My mother is strongly against drinking alcoholic beverages and has very little experience with them in her 85 years. A few years ago, she went to a formal brunch with friends, and the wait staff served everyone mimosas (orange juice + champagne). My mother didn't think anything of it and drank several of them through the long brunch. She got a ride home with one of her friends and called me a bit later that day about another matter. While we were on the phone, she told me that she had been feeling a little lightheaded after brunch and was wondering if she ate something that at the brunch that had messed up her blood sugar. She told me what she had eaten, then mentioned the mimosas that she had, speculating that she may have ingested too much sugar. I pointed out that she might just be a bit light-headed from the champagne in the mimosas. She was shocked, since she didn't know that she was drinking champagne.

    Was she a hypocrite?
    Of course not. She did not believe she was drinking alcoholic beverages, and would have abstained if she had that knowledge.

    Is a pregnant woman, who does not believe the life inside of her is a person, a hypocrite for acting on the premise of "my body, my choice?"
    Of course not.
     
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    Voting for Biden was a vote for more dead fetuses.
    Those that never will have the ability to choose compassion.
    How about showing a little more compassion for the innocent while having it for the living as well?

    The pain in your past and strong dislike for Trump is not a good enough excuse for voting for Biden and more murder.

    Before I formed thee in the belly
    I knew thee;
    and before thou camest forth out of the womb
    I sanctified thee,
    and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
    Jeremiah 1:5

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    If Christians refuse to get immunized or take precautions for the benefit of others, based on willful ignorance or selfishness, then they may well be responsible before God for killing other people.

    And Jesus knows our true motivations better than we do. Excuses and spin won't cut it on the day of judgment.
     
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    If you think you know where you are going after judgement I will happily share my broom with you.

    I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God,
    than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
    Psalm 84:10
     
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    Cannot compare Covid to abortion, as still great doubt as to the full validity of Covid agenda, but abortion is outright murder!
     
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    Therefore one who honestly believes that the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease and thus refuses to be vaccinated isn't a hypocrite. Flat out wrong but not a hypocrite.
     
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    Yes, they can have a legit reason in their own minds, but never a real one for abortion!
     
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    Voting for Trump was also a vote for more dead fetuses, and also more people who were born.

    It was also a vote for an antichrist agenda and the continued destruction of the credibility of the American church for the next few generations of children.
     
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    I don't understand the reference to the broom. After the final judgment, I will live again, embodied, upon the earth.

    Yes, exactly. I have left the Trump tent of wickedness. Why don't you join me?
     
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    Trump Hailed as ‘Most Pro-Life President in Modern History’

    Did not he that made me in the womb
    make him?
    and did not one fashion us in the womb?
    Job 31:15

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    Sure we can. In many cases, deaths can be avoided if people do the right thing.

    The only "great doubt" about a so-called "Covid agenda" is being perpetuated by liars and gullible people who have chosen to believe appealing lies instead of scrupulously following truth.
     
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    The same science that fed to us the Lie of Global Warning and Evolution now feeds us Covid!
     
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    So what?

    People convince themselves of all sorts of things. A man who turns away refugees, holds people who don't express enough honor to him with contempt, and advances an "America First" policy is not pro-life in a biblical sense.

    There are a shocking number of "Christians" who believe Trump is a messiah. Does that make it true?

    Nope.

    Read the book of Jeremiah for a perspective on lying prophets.
     
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    Thank you but I do not want more dead babies on my conscience.

    Only a little problem for you I guess.

    The Lord hath called me from the womb:
    from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
    Isaiah 49:1

    And sorry, I will not be on the earth as it is, if at all.

    By the way, close your eyes and don't look so you can remain true to yourself.

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    Your choice.
     
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    Gatekeeper's Assistant on cleaning duty, if needed.
     
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    Actually, almost no one who knows anything about the subject disputes that our planet has grown warming. The only question (usually among right-wingers), is a debate over the causes. So it's not a lie.

    There's extensive evidence for evolution. It seems that God made life in such a way that as it unfolds over generations, life adapts to its environment. Evolution does not contradict the Bible, and (broadly), it is not a lie.
     
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