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Nascar is back

Discussion in 'Sports Forum' started by ccrobinson, Feb 13, 2006.

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  1. AF Guy N Paradise

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    Relax SBC, I was just joking. I have very good friends from church who love NASCAR and I would always tease them about it being a real sport. I use to ask them could a woman or 60 year old play football, baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer... and compete with the real athletes? I use to drive them crazy.

    Maybe I should start a thread debating NASCAR as a true sport. It would be interesting to see the reaction.
     
    #61 AF Guy N Paradise, Feb 18, 2006
  2. PastorSBC1303

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    No problem, those of us who enjoy NASCAR have heard it all before.

    I started a thread on here awhile back asking if bowling was a sport. Many here felt bowling was a sport.

    If bowling is a sport, then there is absolutely no doubt NASCAR is a sport. And I think there will be thousands of fans packed into the Daytonna Speedway tomorrow who will agree with me. [​IMG]

    NOw lets go racing....

    [​IMG]
     
    #62 PastorSBC1303, Feb 18, 2006
  3. ccrobinson

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    Racecar drivers as athletes? Let's go to the dictionary definition.

    athlete - A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

    Strength? Check.
    Endurance? Check.
    Agility? Not so much.

    The only agility required is to be able to get into and out of a racecar. And if it's on fire, the quicker you get out, the better. [​IMG]

    Using the classic definition, I've never thought of racecar drivers as athletes. My father once called them the last of the gladiators, or modern day gladiators if you will, and I think the thought has some merit. Racecar drivers may lack the agility to be considered athletes by the classic definition, but they do have something that pro players in other sports don't necessarily have. Nerve. Guts. These guys, and girls, put their lives on the line everytime they strap into a car. Of course, there are other words I can use to describe this that I won't in mixed company. ;)

    Racecar drivers don't deserve to be bashed like this and I'll tell you why. By asking the question of whether a 60 year old could play basketball, you're implying that a 60 year old could get out on the racetrack and compete. You're implying that driving a street car is essentially the same as driving a racecar. Further, you're implying that a professional racecar driver doesn't take any special skills that are different from street driving.

    All of the above are simply not true. For example, 60 year old drivers don't have the reflexes and reaction times required to compete with pro drivers. Obviously, there are a ton of differences between street cars and racecars. And, just as pro sports players of other sports do, guys and girls who are pro racecar drivers race all their life to get to the pros.

    If you think you can strap into a racecar and be as fast as the pros just because you can drive on the street, you're deluded. I guarantee you that none of us have the skills required. That is, unless you've done it.

    BTW, there are women who drive racecars. Let's not make the false assumption that women can't be professional racecar drivers. Janet Guthrie, Sarah Fisher and Shawna Robinson have driven in the past. Shirley Muldowney was a terrific drag racer. Erin Crocker, Kelly Sutton, Kathryn Legge and Danica Patrick are today's women racecar drivers. There are more to come. None of them have won yet, but there is little doubt that Danica is going to win an IRL race, probably this year.

    It's not like I'm angry about what you said. As PastorSBC correctly noted, we've heard this kind of stuff before. Start a new thread if you want. I'll happily join the thread and show why auto racing is a real sport. :D
     
    #63 ccrobinson, Feb 18, 2006
  4. PastorSBC1303

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    I watched the practice this morning. Dale Jr. looks awful fast. Bobby Labonte had some problems, hopefully they will get those taken care of before tomorrow. I was surprised Gordon did not come out for atleast a few laps, guess he is pretty confident.
     
    #64 PastorSBC1303, Feb 18, 2006
  5. PastorSBC1303

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    Question: Who is the greatest driver to never win a championship?
     
    #65 PastorSBC1303, Feb 18, 2006
  6. Rachel

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    Several years ago,I use to be a huge Gordon fan but not anymore. I really don't have a favorite...but I like Dale Jr alot. I don't watch every race anymore like I used to, since Dale Sr. died it's just different now.

    :cool:
     
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    The greatest driver to never win a championship? Junior Johnson or Fireball Roberts.
     
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  8. PastorSBC1303

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    Mark Martin was the one that made me think of that question. Do you think he belongs in the discussion?

    Johnson and Roberts are good picks too.
     
    #68 PastorSBC1303, Feb 18, 2006
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    Sorry, but I was typing a reply at work when a customer came in and I had to post it or wait and re-type later.

    I think you are right that Martin belongs in there. In the modern era, he is the overwhelming choice. Of course, all of that could change this year....
     
    #69 swaimj, Feb 19, 2006
  10. Bob Alkire

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    Fireball Roberts was a smart driver as David Pearson was. Junior Johnson was the anything goes driver as Cale Yarborough and Dale Earnhardt were. Keep in mind that back then it didn't pay that much to be the champion. With the Wood Brothers David didn't even try and win the championship, didn't run all the races.
    I believe Roberts would be first(I was a fan of his) Johnson would be next(I didn't like Johnson as a driver, but as a car owner he was hard to beat) and then Mark( I like his style).
     
    #70 Bob Alkire, Feb 19, 2006
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    Well it wasn't the winner I wanted. But I enjoyed it as always. I think the cool and overcast weather impacted the drivers.
     
    #71 PastorSBC1303, Feb 19, 2006
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    For the race today, I had chosen my fantasy team and wound up with #1, #2, and #7.

    The other two must have wrecked, because they WERE in the top 12 earlier in the race.

    Still, that's not bad for the first game of the Fantasy Season. Yay for me!
     
    #72 Gina B, Feb 19, 2006
  13. AF Guy N Paradise

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    I saw that Jimmy Johnson was the big winner in the Daytona 500. Is that the same Jimmy Johnson that use to coach Miami in college football and currently works for Fox during the NFL season?

    I knew he was into NASCAR, but I didn't think he was that good enough to win the big race.
     
    #73 AF Guy N Paradise, Feb 19, 2006
  14. PastorSBC1303

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    [​IMG] I sure hope you are kidding...different Jimmie Johnson.
     
    #74 PastorSBC1303, Feb 19, 2006
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    :D That's great!

    I tend to root for the Ford guys, so the finish isn't exactly what I'd hoped for. Martin is a long-time favorite.
     
    #75 JustPassingThru, Feb 19, 2006
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    What is the deal with Tony (a.k.a. Smoke)? Time for another round of anger-management classes, I'd say.
     
    #76 JustPassingThru, Feb 19, 2006
  17. PastorSBC1303

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    Stewart was not right in what he did, but I think he was right in his post race comments that Kennseth was not innocent in the whole deal either.
     
    #77 PastorSBC1303, Feb 19, 2006
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    Unless Matt came down on Tony in T2 and took the air away, Tony is dead wrong about that incident. I guess Tony thinks he's the only one allowed to be over-aggressive. As said by somebody on a racing board I visit, "He wins one race at Daytona and thinks he owns the place."

    Who did Kenseth think he was fooling by his proclamation of innocence after the incident coming off of pit road? He clearly went after Tony, justifiable or not.

    Moving to another topic, it's not like we didn't already know that the phrase "cheaters never prosper" isn't an absolute rule, especially in Nascar. Richard Petty in 1983, Jeff Gordon and Jeremy Mayfield in separate 2000 races all come to mind. But, with that, it's still rather unsatisfying when a car built under the guidance of Cheater Knauss wins the Daytona 500. BTW, in all posts from now to the end of time, I'll be referring to the crew chief of the #48 as Cheater Knauss.

    Another thing that annoyed me was yet another late caution that turned what promised to be an exciting 6 lap shootout into another G-W-C yawner. The advantage in GWC finishes goes to the leader, which isn't such a bad thing I suppose, but I sure am tired of backmarkers stuffing their cars into the wall late in the race and ruining great racing in the final laps.

    At any rate, it's on to California, a race that will shed more light on the title contenders for 2006. Most of the tracks on the schedule are downforce/handling tracks and those that do well at California should be expected to do well the rest of the season.
     
    #78 ccrobinson, Feb 20, 2006
  19. PastorSBC1303

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    From watching the replays on it, I think Kennseth did come down on Tony in the turn. I am not sure why Kennseth would do that so early in the race. That and the inncident coming off pit road do not speak well for Kennseth either. Again, Stewart should not have done what he did either, but Kennseth is not innocent at all.

    "Cheater Knauss" [​IMG] love that name

    I like what I see from Dale Jr's team. I think he is growing up and they are coming together as a team. I think he will be contending for the title this year.
     
    #79 PastorSBC1303, Feb 20, 2006
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    Stewart showed his hypocrisy all day long. His early week comments were disingenuous... as were his comments last year about people who complained about his rough driving being hypocritical.

    He is the guy who thinks everyone should work around whatever he wants to do.

    He should have been penalized a lap for what he did to Kennseth. There is no comparison between the normal fight for space and his knocking Kennseth down on the apron and risking killing him.

    What an incredible hypocrit for him to have been the one lamenting that someone was going to get killed then pulling a stunt like that!
     
    #80 Scott J, Feb 20, 2006
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