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swaimj

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If you're referring to the wreck at Richmond in 1998, Jeff was very upset about that wreck at the time.
He was quite obviously upset when he was interviewed on TV, but he said little. He knew the score. He also did not hesitate to use the bump and run again on Wallace in a later race. Nevertheless, I don't like the bump and run. The leader of the race should have the utmost respect from other drivers!
 

PastorSBC1303

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I enjoyed watching the race yesterday. I have to hand it to Gordon, he did a great job yesterday and I really expected him to find a way past Stewart at the end. But I was glad to see Stewart win. I think he is going to make a big push at winning back to back titles this year.

Dale Jr. had another good day. I think he is showing his growth as a driver. The last couple years if he would have dealt with what he did yesterday he would have had a 30th place finish.
 

ccrobinson

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The Stewart-Johnson battle for the lead was good stuff and Mike Joy took the words out of my mouth when he said, "I love this place."

The key for Dale Jr. running well this year is Tony Jr. Tony Jr. brings a good car to the track and knows how to make the car better throughout the race. Both were sadly lacking in 2005. I agree with Jr. in that the team doesn't appear to be quite where they need to be yet, but they sure are better than they were.
 

swaimj

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Martinsville was a very enjoyable race. It was too bad they had that last caution because I think Gordon would have caught Stewart. If Gordon had used the tactics to pass Stewart that Stewart used on Johnson, do you think Stewart would have taken it the way Johnson did?
 

PastorSBC1303

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What did Stewart do that was so bad? I thought it was a great duel between two good drivers. I am sure Stewart would be upset to lose the position as Johnson was, but I think both of them realize that it is racin at Martinsville.
 

swaimj

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Stewart ran into Johnson hard enough to lift Johnson's rear wheels off the ground and then shoved him out of the way. Johnson complained not a whit in the post-race interview, so I guess this has become accepted practice. When it happens to Stewart down the road we'll see if he "grins and bears it."
 

swaimj

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I think Johnson would have done the same thing. I still don't like the idea of "moving" the leader out of the way. If the roles were reversed, do you think that Stewart would have been as stoic about it in a post-race interview as Johnson was? Or perhaps Stewart would have stormed out of the track with no comment?
 

PastorSBC1303

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As I stated before I am sure Stewart would be upset about it. Who knows what he would say in a post race interview about it, but that does not change that fact that whether you like it or not it is racing today. I personally don't have a problem with it.
 

ccrobinson

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If Gordon had used the tactics to pass Stewart that Stewart used on Johnson, do you think Stewart would have taken it the way Johnson did?
I think his reaction would have been the same as it was after finishing 2nd in the fall New Hampshire race in 2005. He was mad about losing the race, but he wasn't mad about the beating and banging he and Newman did racing for the win. I don't remember him complaining about the way he lost, just that he was mad about losing.
 

Scott J

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Originally posted by swaimj:
It was too bad they had that last caution because I think Gordon would have caught Stewart. If Gordon had used the tactics to pass Stewart that Stewart used on Johnson, do you think Stewart would have taken it the way Johnson did?
It looked to me like Stewart brake checked Gordon on the restart. If so, that makes two Hendrick drivers who are probably comparing notes after putting a good face on it for the benefit of NASCAR.

In short, I think Stewart is in for a come-uppance and don't think that the nice talk by Gordon after the race means that he has backed off the "no more Mr. Nice Guy" attitude... it just means he's smart enough not to set himself up for a suspension.
 

PastorSBC1303

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Scott, I dont think that was the case at all. Gordon even said in the post race that he had nothing for the 20 car. I don't think Gordon would have said that if he was just trying to put a good face on.
 

Scott J

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Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
Scott, if that is the case why did Gordon say in the post race that he had nothing for the 20 car in the end?
I just edited my post and may have answered that question.

But bottom line- Gordon is smart enough not to say something that would put NASCAR in a position to have to suspend him if he roughs Stewart up in a later race.

Stewart along with Kurt Busch are due... It is just a question of who will be man enough to give it to them.
 

PastorSBC1303

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There were a lot of other things he could have said instead of saying he had nothing for the 20 in the end.

Gordon and Johnson would have done exactly the same thing as Stewart to win the race, but when Stewart does it he is due?
 

Scott J

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Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
Scott, I dont think that was the case at all. Gordon even said in the post race that he had nothing for the 20 car. I don't think Gordon would have said that if he was just trying to put a good face on.
So instead you think he would have said, "I had the car to win but Stewart brake checked me after roughing Jimmy up..." Implicit message- "I'll get him back"... NASCAR's necessary reaction to any altercation between the two... they'd have to discipline one or both and perhaps suspend Gordon.

The restart just looked funny to me. Whether it was Gordon alone or Stewart brake-checking or jumping the restart is the question. Considering that Gordon was steadily catching Stewart before that restart and how savvy Stewart is... I suspect he pulled out a little "trickeration".
 

Scott J

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Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
There were a lot of other things he could have said instead of saying he had nothing for the 20 in the end.

Gordon and Johnson would have done exactly the same thing as Stewart to win the race, but when Stewart does it he is due?
Not the point. The point is that he's been doing all the giving and none of the taking this year. He's due.
 

Scott J

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Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
There were a lot of other things he could have said instead of saying he had nothing for the 20 in the end.
Which judging from the race before the red flag... wasn't quite, completely true.
 

PastorSBC1303

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One thing I have noticed about Hendrick supporters is that it is never admitted that someone else outdrove their drivers. It is always about the fact that their driver was wronged. It couldn't be that Stewart just outdrove both of them, huh?
 

ccrobinson

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Just because you can catch the leader doesn't mean you can pass the leader.

One thing I have noticed about Hendrick supporters is that it is never admitted that someone else outdrove their drivers. It is always about the fact that their driver was wronged.
You've noticed that too?
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Scott J

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Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
One thing I have noticed about Hendrick supporters is that it is never admitted that someone else outdrove their drivers. It is always about the fact that their driver was wronged. It couldn't be that Stewart just outdrove both of them, huh?
I said that he possibly pulled out some trickeration. Nothing wrong with that... as long as you don't whine when someone else does it as Stewart has been very apt to do.

He's the biggest bully on the circuit yet he whines when someone else roughs him up. Just the way he is. He's a great driver talent as I have acknowledged before. But his attitude stinks all the way around in spite of a concerted PR campaign to hide it.
 
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