jesus IS the propiation for sins of mankind, but until we appropiate that for ourselves personally by placing faith in Christ, it benefits us NOTHING! For that faith is the means by which god freely applies effectual the Grace of the Christ towards us, and THEN we become the very Elect of God in Christ!
I don't even know why you are here except it be to spread false teaching.
First the verse you just quoted is not an accurate translation. You either changed it deliberately or deliberately used a modern translation that you found would fit your theology. Let's look at the KJV, a more accurate translation:
Romans 4:25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
--The death, burial, and resurrection of Christ was FOR our justification, that is, IN ORDER that we might be justified. It was not because we were already justified. Verse 25 is the last verse in chapter 4. The very next verse carries on the same thought:
Romans 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
--WE are justified by faith. In order to be justified one has to put their faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is also what Rom.4:25 is teaching. He was resurrected FOR our justification. Therefore being justified by our faith in his resurrection (and his work on the cross) we have peace with God. It is all about faith. One needs to have faith in Christ, or there is no justification.
God offers this justification to all. Only those who accept it by faith will be justified.
And Christ did die for everyone--absolutely everyone in every age.
And all who receive him are justified.
Your problem is that you define faith as a work, when the Bible clearly does not. In Rom.4:3-5 the Bible declares that faith is not a work. You do not accept this.
You seem to be on this board only to teach falsehood.
is you. You said that.
I didn't. That is the statement that is heretical, and whether you believe it or not you are the only one that made the statement.
Well that is my witness, Rom 4:25, that the resurrection of Christ gives evidence that everyone Christ died for, has been Justified before God Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
A mans Faith has nothing to do with this ?
So you believe a man's faith caused Christ to be raised from the dead ? I don't, where did I say I believed that ?
Christ was raised from the Dead by the Power of God !
No one but you has said or posted that statement.
What you are trying to do is put a false statement into someone else's mouth. It is called slander, misrepresentation, and a lot of other things. It is wrong. IOW, no one has made that statement but you, even if you try to label others with it.
We don't believe it. So why did you post it. Read through the thread and see. The only person that posted that statement is you.
I did not say anyone said that. I made a statement to clarify my premise, that Christ's resurrection is evidence that all for whom He died are Justifiied before God Rom 4:25.
So why make this statement implying that someone else believes in it?
No one said that man's faith had anything to do with the resurrection of Christ. The statement is foolish. Why make it then in the first place, unless you are refuting someone's belief.
I made a statement to make a point. Rom 4:25 has nothing to do with man's Faith ! Justification before God as evidenced by the Reurrection does not need man's faith for it to be a reality before God !
Yes Rom 5:1 is true, but not before Rom 4:25 ! Anyone Christ died for , the resurrection gives evidence that they are Justified before God without Faith !
ALL of use were physically born as sinners, "In Adam", and as such were estranged and seperated from god!
Death of jesus provides the means/basis for God to freely declare sinners to be rightous, as jesus kept the law perfectly and his obedience allows God to justify the ungodly, but per the Bible, those who place faith in jesus ONLY are reconciled back to God!
We can freely disagree on whether faith is a Gift from God towards his elect, or natural to all people, or else is produced by the Gospel being preached, but ALL would agree must place faith in christ to get justified by god!
That has never been denied ! What does that have to do with Christ's Resurrection giving evidence of the Justification before God, of all those he bore their offences against God ? Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
You are certainly one confused person.
His death, burial and resurrection came first.
By faith in that gospel message we are justified. That is what it says immediately after verse 25.
Romans 4:25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
and then:
Romans 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: