NHS: Starving Alfie to death was just 'redirecting care'

Funny

 

Name a cop that had shot an innocent black man and got away with it.

 

A big one, apparently that is all he has to work with.

 

I wasn’t there. But I imagine if a few orderlies can do it than it shouldn’t have been and insurmountable problem.

“To what end” might be the silliest question I have ever been asked

 

Sorry, missed the bit when a member of H M Government stood over the child with a lethal injection.

Oh that's right, it didn't happen.

 

And apparently ad hominems is all you have

 

Not silly at all: what good would it have done? All that Italians were offering was palliative care, which Alder Hey ended up giving anyway. There was no offer of effective treatment, of a cure.

 

Trouble is, that's kind of a trick question isn't it? You see, if I was to give an example of say, Darren Wilson, you could say, "Aha! But Michael Brown was clearly reaching for the cop's gun and therefore can't have been innocent." Likewise if I cite the case of Jeronimo Yanez, because he was acquitted you could argue "Well, clearly the court found something to exonerate him". Similarly with Betty Jo Shelby. But if I move on to more recent cases such as the death of Stephon Clark or Danny Ray Thomas, you could say that they're still under investigation and the officers concerned might not get away with it. You and I can put whatever spin we like on such cases....and our dialogue of the deaf will continue unabated

 

As I stated earlier, not only could Alfie's parents get a second opinion, but they did. They even got the Italian doctors to examine Alfie, and they all agreed that the poor boy had massive brain damage and that there was no possible cure. The issue was whether it was in Alfie's interest to have him sent for palliative care in Italy or for him to receive palliative care in England. There is no question of him have been deprived of fluids or food without his parents' consent.

I am unhappy that Alfie's parents weren't allowed to take him to Italy, but you need to understand that the Pope was not offering him treatment, only palliative care.

 

The fact that you think Darren Wilson didn’t face any consequence is enough for me to disregard the rest of your post.

 

OK, but who stopped them from taking the child to Italy and why? Matt suggested it was because there would be pain and trauma done to the boy in transporting the boy to Italy. Do you agree

 

It is none of your business.

 

It was none of your business.

 

You're twisting your own words now and moving your own goalposts from "got away with it" to "didn't face any consequences". That's enough for me to disregard whatever point you thought you had.

 

Neither is it yours then

 

Merely repeating a bare assertion doesn't add any substance to it

 

The parents commissioned at least two independent medical reports into his condition ie: had him examined by two independent medical consultants who both agreed that there was no hope of recovery. So it's a myth that there were "no second opinions".

 

You have no right to tell anyone that he cannot go to other medical treatment. Alder Hey Hospital has a bad record, as you know.

 

I thought personal attacks weren't allowed here.

 

No I don't have the right to determine someone else's medical treatment. But neither do you have the right to force medical treatment on someone who can't consent to it. In any event that's a straw man since I wasn't denying him that right, but questioning the benefit of it as asserted by others