NHS: Starving Alfie to death was just 'redirecting care'

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  1. Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    Explain what their medical qualifications were...I seem to have missed that fact, as have the judges
     
  2. church mouse guy Well-Known Member
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    The courts have authority because the bankrupt socialized medicine scheme decides everything. In this case, the mistake was to take the child to that hospital, which already has a poor reputation.
     
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    At least, you admit, Matt Black, the sheer police nature of socialized medicine in the UK. Apparently the people of the UK like that system.
     
  4. Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    Why? Seems like a thoroughly decent guy doing a difficult job
     
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    It could well be here right now.... but today it’s your insurance provider that makes the life or death decisions and the doctors follow suit. Social medicine insures that everyone gets poorer coverage and the possibility for an arranged death... but in this case, little Alphie became a pawn in the battle for parent care vs the state.
     
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  7. Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    YOU can leave whenever you like as an adult as you are legally competent. You don't have absolute rights over someone else's life or treatment: others are legal persons in their own right and have the right to protection from incorrect treatment.
     
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    Michael Moore said that the Cuba system is the best in the world. I don't think that they bother with the courts like you do. The police just decide the case there.
     
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    What treatment ?!? The child was dying.....so you consider starvation and or not providing water to a sick patient the correct treatment? And if he were on deaths door, what harm could it have done for them to release him to the Italians. Matt, these were the wishes of the parents.
     
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    I've already said what harm it would have caused: hastening death and causing unnecessary pain en route
     
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    Has anyone here tried to move someone who is ventilated?
     
  15. Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    Medically, they don't have the qualifications, know how or experience of the doctors. That stands to reason: I'm not even sure why this is being questioned. The alternative is cases like the Welsh boy who died of scurvy because his parents 'knew best'
     
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    Yup. I have years of experience working with the disabled. It’s done literally all the time.
     
  17. Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    So, in your opinion, could he have been moved to Italy, and to what end?
     
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    Matt I don't think we need any lectures from people who support the police shooting unarmed people with impunity, at least if they are black.
     
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    The government has to kill children because their parents might.

    Got it.
     
  20. Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>
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    Dude. You’re a liar.