Amazing both of us can occasionally see the truth of scripture.
No such thing as "free will"
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jun 1, 2022.
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
God, because He is love, loves all men unconditionally that is His nature/character but He will only save those that meet the condition He has set for salvation faith in His Son.
We are told in the Scriptures that
'the LORD is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and full of mercy. The LORD is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all His works' (Psa_145:8-9).
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1Jn 4:10
We can see how that works out in practice.
He 'makes His sun rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.' He 'is kind to the unthankful and evil' (Mat_5:45; Luk_6:35).
He 'gives to all life, breath and all things' (Act_17:25). -
SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
ALL= THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE
SINNERS= THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
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SavedByGrace Well-Known Member
There are some here from the "Reformed" camp, who are accusing others of not allowing the CONTEXT to determine the menaing of a verse or passage!
This has got to be a JOKE, as they are they WORST at doing this, as they DISTROT and TWIST what Jesus Christ very clearly says in John 3:16-18, that His Death is for "everyone without exception", as even John Calvin Himself admits! -
John 3:1-21
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” -
Realize that in this context, you are Alice. -
Alan Gross Well-Known Member
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Alan Gross Well-Known Member
Gill on Philemon 1:14b = he is oblivious to anything having to do with "Salvation",
with the mention of "willingness", or "free will".
"That thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly; that is, that his goodness in forgiving his servant, and renouncing all claim and property in him, and admitting him to continue in the service of the apostle, might not look like a forced thing; but that it might appear to be a voluntary action,..." -
BasketFinch Active Member
This I believe. In the dominion-domain of Sovereign God we have no free will. The Lord's prayer invokes that accord and concession from us when we recite it
"When ye pray pray like this....
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord determines his steps. -
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From the internet, I found, " God's sovereignty directing the trajectory of history as well as an exhortation for us to remain devoted followers of Jesus Christ in the midst of all kinds of trial, tribulation, and triumph. And also I found "sovereignly directing" in an article about John Piper's sermon of Psalm 16:7. The idea is by trusting God as your counselor, then God was "sovereignly directing your life. However, such an undefined term might refer to the Hyper-Calvinist false doctrine of exhaustive determinism.
Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord determines his steps.I look at the verse in the opposite way, we exercise our limited autonomous will, when we make plans, but God can redirect our thoughts and actions if He chooses. Or He can allow us to sin or choose life. -
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