I gotta be honest...even the Obama apologists are starting to drift away from these threads.
If one is intellectually honest, it becomes about impossible to defend such a horrible, fascist plan.
You're right....Obama is not being honest.
And as bad as I hated the c(r)ap and trade...this is the worst bill to be brought up in my adult life.
How can what we have now be considered ineffective when we can see governement run health care in other countries and see it's a total failure, people not getting to see doctors when they need it, not getting needed medications, needed procedures. And the fact he'd rather kill seniors then pay for health care.
Oh yeah, big improvement.
Well maybe your health care is ineffective, so switch doctors.
My health care is just fine and quite effective, thank you.
And, like you said, you "believe."
Your opinion would seem to be in the minority, not only here, but among the vast majority of Americans, 85% of which are entirely happy with their health care.
Single payer is NOT an option in the health care legislation.
Personally, from my experience with with insurance companies continually increasing prices to the consumer and reducing benefits enforced by clerks however, I'd like to see them get a real scare to prompt them from continually reducing the quality of health care in America.
I've seen doctors quit practicing because of insurance company malfeasance.
Something needs to be done to reel them in.
As to your personal experience - switch companies.
That one of the benefits of a market system.
I have had the same insurance - Blue Cross Blue Shield - for many years and am very happy with it.
I have not seen any reduction in quality.
Why do you wish to deprive others of what works for them in order to make a change that you could accomplish with a single phone call without involving a single taxpayer dollar?
Which doctors have you "seen quit because of insurance company malfeasance"? It sounds like you are blowing smoke here.
Do you have any names or other documentation?
You like to ask others for proof - even though you are unwilling to acknowledge it when you get it.
How about offering up a little proof of your own?
If what we have is so bad, why do people from all over the world abandon their own countries health care system to come here for treatment?:tonofbricks: