Poll: Tongues

Nope, never thought of that. You are most likely blaspheming the Holy Spirit by saying that. Ever think of that?

If you say I am probably praising Satan, what language am I praising him in? Is that what gibberish is? The official language of Satan? If I can't be praising God because you know that what I am speaking is not a real language (without ever hearing me, which is truly amazing), then how could I possibly be praising Satan in this "gibberish" as you call it.

Of course I admit the same. Everyone knows that there are people who fake speaking in tongues. Plenty have admitted to it. What is your point here? Our churches are filled with people who "fake" being Christians too.

 

Nope, never thought of that. You are most likely blaspheming the Holy Spirit by saying that. Ever think of that?</font>[/QUOTE]No. This is a typical Chatismatic response from people who don't know what they are talking about. First go and find the Scripture that speaks about "blaspheming the Holy Spirit,"
Then define from the Scripture what "blaspheming the Holy Spirit" is, not just your idea of it.
Then tell me how that relates to what I have just said.

If you are speaking a string of syllables (usual occurence) it is probably a simple fleshly psychological occurence where you allow your subconscience mind to over-rule your conscience mind--a very dangerous thing to do, for you open your mind to the influence of demons.
If you do happen to speak in a foreign language, as some have done, it is often a repetitious statement in another language such as "I love the devil" over and over again. This was documented in a church in the Vancouver area, by a man who recognized the language that was being spoken. It was one simple line being repeated over and over again, praising Satan.
DHK

 

I Cor 14:9 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.

Notice, if nobody understands, you are speaking into the air.

Clearly these are languages in the world. Each one has significance. Words are spoken. Words have meaning.

I Cor 14:11 Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me.

Again, this is clearly a foreign language.

12Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.

What is said is to be for edification. His point is that if nobody understands, it can't be for edification.

13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.

What is the conclusion? To sing and pray with understanding. Know what you are saying.

16Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 17For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.

Nobody is edified and nobody can say amen when they don't understand what you are saying.

18I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

5 words that people can understand are of more value that 10,000 that they cannot.

What is so hard to understand about this? Paul is describing that speaking words in a foreign language is of no value if nobody understands. Someone who claims to speak in tongues (unlearned but given directly from God), can easily be verified.

I Cor 14:28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church,

Simple instruction

I Cor 14:32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

The so-called speaking in tongues that I've observed appeared spontaneous and as if the speaker had no control. That conflicts with this passage

I Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace,

Speaking words in an unlearned foreign language is the New Testament's description of speaking in tongues. Everything spoken is to be for edification, and if nobody can understand, nobody can be edified, so keep quiet.

Has anyone who claims to be able to speak in tongues, ever had an occassion to use it? Have you ever been able to teach the gospel to someone who speaks a different language than you do?

So much has already been written, but God's word has already been confirmed according the the Hebrew writer and it does not need to be confirmed again. Tongues were for the infant church that did not have the printed word, but when it grew up and had the completed word, it put away that childish thing.

 

I think the confusion about this topic is one of the devils tricks, crafty as he is and a lot of people are 'not aware of his wiles' as Paul and others were. Of course tongues exist, in it's 2 forms, of men and of angels the one was and ( God is not dead ) is a sign for unbelievers when the Spirit so wishes and the other is a personal thing used in prayer and private worship by people who are not narrow minded and have a half decent walk with the Lord.

 

Paul never spoke in the tongues of angels, and there is no evidence anywhere that any one else ever did. What evidence do you have for this?

Nowhere does the Bible teach that tongues is a prayer language. In fact this is totally unscriptural. Tongues was always a gift for the entire church, for the edification for all that are in the church. No spiritual gift was given for the selfish use of just one individual.
DHK

 

What evidence do you have to deny it? Love the statement 'selfish use' Christ would have us as selfish as could be when it comes to drawing near to him.

I see I should have used spiritual instead of angels...even the phrase 'prayer language' I picked up the other day through a discussion somewhere...

Read Corinthians 14 and post back...uttering mysteries to God...what's your thoughts on that?

I agree that not all of what goes on in todays church is kosher...should I have used the word kosher I ask myself!

[ June 06, 2005, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: David Michael Harris ]

 

Absolutely not, my heart was to wicked to know I needed a change. It was his decision as the Scriptures state.

Mt. 7:7-11
You should know from your walk with the Lord that everyone will not receive everything they ask for or find what they seek or have every door opened. Is not this an exaggeration of reality, or a hyperbole?


This passage conveys the importance of continually
and persistently seeking the Lord in prayer so that the Father may bless you with spiritual and material gifts according to His will. These gifts are not miraculous sign gifts such as speaking in tongues, they are ordinary day to day needs of the believer. Then again God already knows what your needs are before you ask him (6:8).

I guaranty that none of the OT prophets or NT Apostles asked for miracles beforehand like you did. Who do you think you are?

 

Absolutely not, my heart was to wicked to know I needed a change. It was his decision as the Scriptures state.

Mt. 7:7-11
You should know from your walk with the Lord that everyone will not receive everything they ask for or find what they seek or have every door opened. Is not this an exaggeration of reality, or a hyperbole?


This passage conveys the importance of continually
and persistently seeking the Lord in prayer so that the Father may bless you with spiritual and material gifts according to His will. These gifts are not miraculous sign gifts such as speaking in tongues, they are ordinary day to day needs of the believer. Then again God already knows what your needs are before you ask him (6:8).

I guaranty that none of the OT prophets or NT Apostles asked for miracles beforehand like you did. Who do you think you are? </font>[/QUOTE]You are putting alot of words in my mouth. I never said God gives us everything we ask for. You said the following:

I listed Matthew 7:11 to refute your assumption of what God would or would not do.

What better gifts could we receive from God than the spiritual gifts that He has poured out on His church. These gifts are vital to our work to evangelize the lost and to edify one another in the church.

And where did I say that I asked for any miracles? You are assuming many things about me.

 

To deny speaking in tongues of angels? The Bible. Paul doesn't say that he spoke in the tongues of angels. If he did give chapter and verse. Give evidence that anyone did. Don't make a statement or infer one that you cannot prove. If anyone in the world has ever spoken in the tongues of angels back it up with prove. That is not my job, that is yours. You provide the evidence.

Yes, tongues as prayer language is a selfish carnal gift. ALL spiritual gifts were given for the edification for the entire church, never for just one individual. You have two lists of the gifts given in 1Cor.12. Go through them. For example two of the gifts are gifts of helps and of healing. Does one have the gift of healing to heal simply himself?? Does one have the gift of helps just to help himself?? Obviously not. The gifts are for the edification for ALL the members of the church. Likewise for the gift of tongues. the gift of languages was given for edification for all the memebers of the church, never for just one person.

What prayer language? Baluchi? Sindhi? Arabic? What is your choice of language to pray in? Since my mother 'tongue' is English I prefer to talk to God in English. I can communicate to God better that way. Remember that prayer is communication. If you don't know what you are communicating, you can't call it prayer.

The statement was a rebuke not to speak in tongues. When they spoke in tongues without an interpreter they spoke mysteries. That is they spoke, as it were, mysteriously incomprenesibly to the rest of the church because no one could understand them. Paul rebuked them for that. If there is no understanding in what you say then shut up and keep quiet. It was a strong rebuke. The very next statement continues the thought: but he that prophecies edifies the church. The implication is clear. Don't speak in tongues because the church can't understand; it is a mystery to them.
DHK

 

Well it seems something your dead against...and would like to stop it there...

Does it matter when it comes to preaching the Gospel...and of people being born again...tell us of your being born again...after all only those who are so will enter heaven...

 

When I say the word Hallelujah! guess what
I just spoke in the tongue of an angel.

Perhaps you have uttered the word too..oops!
speaking in them tongues again!

 

or pepsi yeah...yeah goes 2 ways...

 

Thank You,..... my main word which is apprently what would have stopped the world from falling...

 

As long as you understood what you were saying, you very well could have. What were the tongues of angels?
A tongue is simply a language. Unless the word refers to the organ "tongue" it always means language.
There are many instances of angels speaking in different languages in the Bible.
Angels spoke to: Mary and Joseph,
Elizabeth and Zechariah
Manaoh
Abraham
Joshua
Jacob
Balaam
Lot
and many others.

How did they speak? They spoke in the language of the person that they were speaking to. They could speak any language that God sent them to speak to. They would speak that language perfectly, without mistake in grammar, diction, vocabulary, etc. They wouldn't have an accent. The language would be spoken perfectly in whatever language they would be required to speak.
That is the tongues of angels: The ability to be perfectly fluent in all the languages of the world.
If you can accomplish that then perhaps I will say that you have the gift of the tongues of angels, but not until then.

 

Hebrew for praise Yahweh

 

Prophecynut: "No one better perform their deception in the
church I attend, they would be asked to leave."

1Co 14:39 (KJV1611 Edition):
Wherefore brethren, couet to prophesie,
and forbid not to speake with tongues.

Your statement appears to violate this Biblical
non-optional instruction.

Ed notes there is no rule prohibiting folk from
interperting unknown tongues. I'm the head usher/bouncer.
I'll be escorting anybody out who interperts tongues.
With no interperters of tongues present, there should be
no tongue interpertatin'

 

Beautiful, perfect, right on, I love it!

Being indwelled with the Holy Spirit (born again) is a miracle performed by God, not by you.

If you asked to be saved and God complied then you have usurped His authority and Sovereignty.

Speaking in real tongues is miraculous. If you asked for this and God complied then you have subjected God to the whims of His creation.

Who do you think you are to have more authority than your creator?

 

DHK: "And how is this accomplished Ed? Without any studying on your own does the Holy Spirit just suddenly give you some language such as Cree, Hindi, Norwegian, Danish, Punjabi, Baluchi, etc. What "unknown languages" do you speak to yourself ih?"

The source of your confusion is that you assume falsly
that "unknown tongue" in the KJV has no meaning. It has a
meaning; like when the tongue (language) is NOT KNOWN by
humans. The only sounds that my tongue can form is those
which i learned before i was about six (any i've learned after
will be said with an accent). So the syllables will be English,
but the language is unknown.

 

Take in context Ed.
Forbid not to speak in tongues (in the first century). Tongues have ceased. Paul was writing to the Corinthian church in the first century. The purpose of tongues has been fulfilled. That command does not apply to us any longer.
DHK

 

DHK: "But first go to a Greek New Testament and find the word "unknown" and tell me what it is. It ain't there Ed."

Duh.

from KJV1769:

1Co 14:2 - Show Context
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1Co 14:4 - Show Context
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

1Co 14:13 - Show Context
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue
pray that he may interpret.

1Co 14:14 - Show Context
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth,
but my understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:19 - Show Context
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with
my understanding, that by my voice I might teach
others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

1Co 14:27 - Show Context
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by
two, or at the most by three, and that by course;
and let one interpret.

Here is 1Co 14:4 with Strong's numbers:

1Co 14:4 He that speaketh2980 in an unknown tongue1100
edifieth3618 himself;1438 but1161 he that prophesieth4395
edifieth3618 the church.1577

G1100
γλῶσσα
glōssa
gloce'-sah
Of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired): - tongue.