pray obama fails?

It was a great prayer. It must be hard to pray in front of 2 million people and keep the Lord first & foremost.

 

Excellent !!!!!:thumbs:

 

A good statement Tim.
If a person is an american, and not unamerican, the standing president is their president, whether or not they agree with him. To say, as we've seen here many time by Bush haters, that the standing presindt is not your president is unamerican, and ungodly, for whatever purpose God places leaders in their leadership rolls.

 

I pray the President Barack Hussein Obama has the greatest success in his role as President.

Just as I also would pray that a great deal of what I believe to be his agenda never gets implemented.

Incidentally, if Congress fulfills it's role and the President fulfills his role, as defined by the Constitution, we don't even have to question this, or even have this conversation now, do we?

How many here voted for or against the President solely because they believed he would be a good Chief Executive and Commander-in-Chief, and his 'vision' or that of any opponent had absolutely nothing to do with why you voted for (or against) him?

In fact, how many voted for any candidate here, looking for a great Gerald Ford or even a Calvin Coolidge 'do-alike' - someone who "looked" Presidential, but correctly expected Congress to "determine the direction of the country" (no matter how idiotic you or I may feel this direction to be), after his recommendations, and who would veto legislation only when he believed that it was not good legislation for the country, although it was not his job to best determine this direction, as the Congress did this. Anyone? Why do I not think so?

How many here would vote for an individual who ran on that platform, saying it was not his or her job to "take the United States down any given path"? Again, anyone? No more than maybe a half-dozen??

Somehow, I didn't think so.

Ed

 

I checked 20 English versions of the Bible. I could find no adjectives - "[offensive word edited]" or otherwise, as modifiers of "fox" in any of the texts. (I also checked three Greek texts, FTR.) If you have one, you may PM me with the version, since the Moderators were clearly annoyed, as am I, as to the situation brought on the your 'edited' word, without any substance given to support it. Incidentally, I did not read the actual word, but it is irrelevant.

FTR, I do not particularly care how anyone feels about President Obama, here for this post. I do care a great deal about the misrepresenting of something Scripture says!

Ed

 

I've been in deep conversation with several dear friends who are unchurched and have had bad interactions with evangelicals. Often I find myself mystified by their comments and think it difficult to understand their objections. Then I hear arrogant and condescending comments like some in this thread and it hits home how fast we (myself included) evangelicals can, and have, pushed many away from Christ by our actions and words.

Makes me sad.

 

==I believe the people of this nation should respect our nation, our President, and our laws. However that is secondary to the Word of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. When I read what Alcott claimed our Lord had said I was greatly disturbed because it does not reflect what the Word of God actually says (i.e....what Jesus actually said). People should not add words, mainly those kind of words, to Scripture.

PeterM helped in correcting the error when he wrote:
"To translate the word "_____-Fox" is a poor rendering at best. The word appears to be feminine at its root. Therefore Jesus is not adding the feminine to be derrogatory. Actually, in some older renderings it seems that the word was translated "Jackel"."

I would add that the phrase "the fox" was used in Jewish writings of the day to talk about a person who was sneaky. Our Lord is using the term in that way. Herod was crafty, sneaky, and seeking to kill the Lord. That is why Jesus responded the way He did.

 

I agree with you Ps104_33. I cannot pray for O'bama to succeed; if he succeeds in what he has proposed then we will become a Socialist country, more immoral than we are now, with the democrats as little dictators.

I will pray for our country and that God will with hold His wrath from us for the murder of 50 million unborn children, for accepting homosexual perversion as an acceptable alternate lifestyle, and for our open immorality even among professing Christians.

People forget that if the founders of this country had interpreted Scripture as they say this country which God has truly blessed would be an illegitimate country.

 

:laugh: I didn't either, I took a bath!

 

Um, did anyone forget I Tim 2?

I didn't say I agree with praying for him according to his policies, but we as Christians are commanded to pray for those in authority.

As Commander in Cheif, he is our military commander/ authority, I am to pray for him. As his being a propigator of immoral beliefs and having socialist political views, I will not pray FOR him but in that he gets SAVED!:thumbsup:

Pray for him to fail? Politically, yes. Spiritually? No! If he gets saved his political and moral views WILL change.

 

I had quoted this earlier...I'm still awaiting a cogent reply from the dissenters why we shouldn't pray like this and how they can pray for his failure biblically.

I actually believe President Obama is a Christian. He confesses Christ and if it is good enough for the New Testament writers its good enough for me. How can we judge a man's salvation from such a far place? I don't know. Maybe your a better Christian than me.

 

When I became a Christian I rebuked anything unpatriotic concerning America.

I cannot sense any real evidence of his salvation by anything I have been allowed to know about him.

Not everyone who names Christ is a Christian.

me better? Not.

 

Oh no now we have facts. Don't do that.

 

Wow, I would never link patriotism with Christianity. That is awfully dangerous. The worse thing Christianity has ever seen has been the rise of nationalism in the Church. It has cause amazing amounts of pain and suffering.

How can we judge at this distance? Who are we to judge at any distance? Are there really Christians who will sit in a small house across the country and judge a person's salvation on a few tid bits of policy and public life without ever being able to see that same person's personal life? Really?

This cuts both ways btw.

 

Do you mean like Caesar Augustus and Pax Romana? Am I to assume that you do not pay taxes too because you do not agree with everything?

 

Again, who are we to judge a man (particularly one so ensconched behind a media firewall) and his salvation? Seems contrary to Scripture.

As for the belief that there are more ways to heaven, I don't see that as a NT qualification of salvation. Show me where it discredits someone's salvation in the NT and I'll reconsider but this isn't a salvation denying belief imho.

Have you read Letters from my Father or The Audicity of Hope and read his retelling of his salvation experience? I strongly encourage you to do so. It is very meaningful and authentic in my opinion.

 

If it were authentic, he would not state there are other ways besides Christ to "The Almighty".

 

Do we really believe God is responsible for who takes power or not? I guess it depends on who is in office.