pray obama fails?

Do you allow for metaphoric meanings?

If your God can be tamed, then he's not the God of Scripture.

But if your God cannot be tamed, then there's a holy wild to God.

 

Calling God wild places mans standard as the measuring stick. It is irreverent, disrespectful, and ungodly.

 

Then consider me as you say, as long as it's known that "history is out of God's control" means he doesn't control it, rather than he can't. I don't think the Roman church controlling every nation and kingdom in central and western Europe for 1000 years was forced by God, nor everyone tortured and burned at the stake who opposed it, nor millions of natives in the Americas wiped out by diseases against which they had no immunity,....

 

Amen!

I pray Obama's plans for abortion and legalizing gay*marriage will fail.

 

And we can agree to disagree.

God bless.

 

John the Baptist- whom Jesus called the greatest man to ever walk the face of the earth , was, according to the gospel, a "WILDMAN".

 

Thanks for the link!:thumbsup:

I'll stand by suggestion that stating that there are more than one way to Heaven isn't a condition of salvation or that salvation is conditional upon it. While it is heterodoxy it doesn't appear in the NT as a disqualifier of one's Christianity.

Also I'll submit that every person checking out President Obama's positions on these matters should do the man the respectful service of reading his own words in his two books he authored.

I don't like his positions on a great number of matters, but I will continue to support and pray for him daily. I fully respect him as I do all other people in this world and hope God's best for him.

Finally I will repeat my biggest question to this point:
Who are we to judge this man's salvation from such a distance that we have from seeing his personal life? How does that line up with the NT teaching?

I'd like an honest answer.

 

In his own words he has said Jesus is not the only way. If he believes this (and I don't see why he wouldn't, consider he said it), he does not have a faith that saves. Period.

 

No you wouldn't. It has been answered time and again on this site in many threads by many people. Obama's view is a disqualifier for there is but one way to heaven. Jesus is the only way and to believe otherwise shows shows a lack of understanding of what it is we need to be saved. You cannot believe that the blood of Christ alone saves and then also believe that there are other ways. There is no way to line that up. Something is being misrepresented. Base don his own words we can then take them to scripture the single and only standard and measure them. When his own words do not line up with scripture then it is scripture that judges him not anyone else. And scripture shows he is lost.

 

George Bush was the man who claimed that Muslims and Christians worship the same god and that there is more than one way to heaven. I haven't heard Obama say that. I agree that anyone who believes this does not worship the one true God and is not saved.

 

Quoting well-known scripture does not answer the questions I asked. Was the Roman church in power over most of Europe for 1000 years because God forced it?

 

I doubt that he is much different on that issue than the majority of Baptists sitting in churches every Sunday. It amazes me how many do not believe Jesus is the only way. They try and explain it rationally.

 

I pray for the spiritual condition of our current president and former President Bush. If they are lost I pray for their salvation according to Gods perfect will. If they are saved, but have gotten out of fellowship with Christ I pray they repent.

 

==I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. So I will just make several points that I think need to be stressed:

1. What you or I "think" is totally beside the point. Personal opinions are worthy nothing outside of our own skulls. Everything must be backed up with Scripture.

2. Nobody said God forced anything. However God can force whatever He wants to force. God is 100% free to do as He wishes (Ps 135:6, Is 46:10, Ps 103:19, Dan 4:35). So God is not be unjust in anything he "forces" on anyone.

3. God's sovereignty rules over all (Ps 103:19). God rules over all things. So everything that happens in creation happens because God did it or allowed it. No place in Scripture does it say that God will stop bad things from happening. In fact, Scripture is clear that bad things will happen in a fallen world. But nothing happens apart from God causing it or allowing it. Think about Job. Nothing happened to him apart from God allowing it.

4. If God is not sovereign (in control) then you can forget Bible prophecy, eternal security, assurance of salvation, or any other such doctrine. All of those doctrines rest on Biblical truth that God is in control. God's control over all creation is one thing that gave assurance to many Christians who have been persecuted or martyred for the faith.

5. Point of history: Many of the Puritans believed that God used disease to wipe out the Native Americans, who they called savages, so that European Christians could settle in the new world. There is indirect (secondary) evidence that suggests that some Natives believed that the European's God was behind the diseases as well. Interesting, though not part of this conversation/thread.

 

I think we can all agree that his answers are probably reflecting how most of our parishioners would reply if given the same interview on any given Sunday.

Of course we didn't elect a theologian-in-chief.

I'll just continue hold my opinion that he is a Christian. Seriously, read his own books and his own words.

We probably have a little bit different view of soteriology and can respectfully disagree.

I am still interested in anyone answering my question:
Who are we (as individuals) to evaulate and judge a man's salvation from such a distance as we hold with President Obama? And I'd like to see Scripture showing where we can evaluate each other's salvation.

Thanks for the reply:thumbs:

 

That does not make anyone redeemed.