Great give us a play by play of the scroll and the bowl judgments and what events they symbolized?
Preterists Cannot Prove Their Assertions !
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by robycop3, Feb 10, 2019.
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21 ‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: how much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem my four dreadful judgments – sword and famine and wild beasts and plague – to kill its men and their animals! 22 Yet there will be some survivors – sons and daughters who will be brought out of it. They will come to you, and when you see their conduct and their actions, you will be consoled regarding the disaster I have brought on Jerusalem – every disaster I have brought on it. 23 You will be consoled when you see their conduct and their actions, for you will know that I have done nothing in it without cause, declares the Sovereign Lord.’
Those brought out are the 144,000, a perfect number of Israelites delivered up to the time of the escape from the doomed city.
The trumpets are final warnings before the destruction, & the bowls are the destruction. -
Yes, Jerusalem & the temple were destroyed just as Jesus said. But there was NO 'beast', NO marka the beast, NO great trib, and certainly NO physical, visible return of Jesus.
And notice Jesus went on speaking of Jerusalem, without saying it'd be rebuilt. He said it'd be trod underfoot by gentiles, AFTER it was destroyed. He didn't say it'd be rebuilt, but obviously it was, and is still being trod underfoot by gentiles at this very moment.
I highly recommend you chuck whatever material you have from Preston, Gentry, Alcazar, or other preterist quacks. They're nothing but hooey. -
Had they happened, you should be able to tell us who the beast & FP were, what the marka the beast looked like, tell us when all like in the seas died, when all green grass was burned up, etc. etc.
I'm hoping you have an "epiphany" & realize just how silly preterism is! There's not one quark of **PROOF/EVIDENCE/DOCUMENTATION** sustaining it! -
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Providing credible evidence those events HAVE already occurred is the ONLY thing that would sustain preterism! Nothing else will do! -
The writers of the pret garbage you subscribe to, have reduced "inconvenient" Scriptures to "symbolism" to try to cover the fact that they haven't yet been fulfilled. THAT WON'T WORK! Square peg, round hole!
You SHOULD be able to see that for yourself, as you're not stupid!
I shall REPEATEDLY keep reminding you of the simple truth that those events haven't occurred yet! -
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"About this book of the Revelation of John, I leave everyone free to hold his own ideas, and would bind no man to my opinion or judgment; I say what I feel. I miss more than one thing in this book, and this makes me hold it to be neither apostolic nor prophetic. First and foremost, the Apostles do not deal with visions, but prophesy in clear, plain words, as do Peter and Paul, and Christ in the Gospel. For it befits the apostolic office to speak of Christ and His deeds without figures and visions; but there is no prophet in the Old Testament, to say nothing of the New, who deals so out and out with visions and figures. And so I think of it almost as I do of the Fourth Book of Esdras, and can nohow detect that the Holy Spirit produced it."
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Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Luther on Revelation: "I feel an aversion to it, and to me this is sufficient reason for rejecting it."
I believe something similar is at work with many modern Christians. They have a mental cataract that refuses to acknowledge spiritual language of this book. They don't disown the book, as Luther did, but they turn it into the most confusing and frustrating book in the Bible. All because they cannot see that the thrust of the prophecies in Revelation are mostly limited geographically and temporally. -
I don't remember questioning whether Jerusalem would ever be rebuilt. However, the Bible does not predict a 3rd Temple.
I'd never heard of Alcazar, but you can bet your boots I will check him (or her) out. Thanks for the "tip" :). Talk about hooey - what about Harold Camping and his false prophecies? Or Hal Lindsey? Or Tim LaHaye? Those guys were way out in some fantasyland. -
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