As often as you keep reminding me of your view, I will respond with the truth of the preterist view. The dispensationalist view simply doesn't make sense.
Preterists Cannot Prove Their Assertions !
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by robycop3, Feb 10, 2019.
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The plual pronoun can refer to those beyond the immediate audiance. As in Matthew 3:11-12, ". . . he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: . . ." ; John 3:7, ". . . Ye must be born again. . . ." -
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Note the range of meanings of Gk - GE
You are looking for secular encyclopaedia references to the various occurrences worldwide while rejecting the Scripture truth that these related to the AD 70 destruction. Josephus recorded many of them. Local events, on a population of perhaps one million allows a scale of slaughter as prophesied.
Note also that Rev. 6:15-17 was predicted by the Lord Jesus in connection with the children of those who mourned for him. Luke 23:27-31. By then they would be 30-40, converted or rebellious.
Darkness at midday was recorded during the crucifixion, as was an earthquake. Darkness & light certainly have a spiritual significance. Note also that the events of Mat, 24:4-14 are not specific signs of the end. They would, & did happen, & they have happened down the centuries to such an extent that the end has been predicted - wrongly, many times. However from 24:15 on, events relating to the destruction are specifically prophesied. Events that the believers noted, so they fled the city before its destruction.
No need to name names - corrupt priests & false prophets abounded. -
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But I don't see you including Preston, Gentry, Delmar, Sproul, Adams, etc. in your list! IMO, they're all crackpots. Their pret hooey is phony as a Chevy F-150. -
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And today's Orthodox Jews still live under the OC, rejecting the NC & Jesus as Messiah. That'll be changed in God's timing. -
The beast/antichrist & his sidekick the false prophet
marka the beast
great trib
return of Jesus
the beast & FP being cast alive into the lake of fire -
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The "great tribulation" was localized, not a worldwide catastrophe. Again, we will not come to an agreement on this point.
I never claimed Jesus was physically present in the judgments. He used the Roman armies to execute judgment.
Nobody in the whole Bible mentions a 3rd temple. There are only 2 temples in Scripture - Solomon's temple and the Herodian temple. Herod's temple was still standing in John's vision in Revelation.
Preterism was an established teaching from Christianity's beginning. Whether Alcazar popularized it or just made it well-known, I couldn't say. OTOH, Dispensationalism was popularized by Darby (1830) and later by Scofield.
I have the highest regard for the proponents of Preterism. My favorites are DeMar, Gentry, and Sproul. I've read some of Preston, but don't agree with all he has to say, since he is a Full Preterist. -
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Especially for @Revmitchell and @robycop3 - Since I was asked about the seals, trumpets, and bowls in Revelation, I am providing the following material. This was provided by our good friend @kyredneck :
The Covenant Judgments of Revelation
By Duncan McKenzie, Ph.D.
2006
Four sets of seven:
18 And if ye will not yet for these things hearken unto me, then I will chastise you seven times more for your sins.
21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me, I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
24 then will I also walk contrary unto you; and I will smite you, even I, seven times for your sins.
28 then I will walk contrary unto you in wrath; and I also will chastise you seven times for your sins. Lev 26
1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, Come. Rev 6
6 And the seven angels that had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. Rev 8
4 And when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying, Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. Rev 10
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels, Go ye, and pour out the seven bowls of the wrath of God into the earth. Rev 16 -
Great Trib - Yes, it happened from AD 66-70. We will not agree on this.
Agreed, we are still awaiting the 2nd Coming of Christ. (That is the main point where I disagree with Full Preterism.)
Gentry's "Before Jerusalem Fell" makes a very strong case for the early writing of Revelation - in the late 60s.
I believe the futurist view was virtually unknown before the Council of Nicea (AD 325), but I agree that a few believers had this view. Preterism predates the futurist view.
It would be pretty easy to make a case that "futurists" are in it for the money. -
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We've been discussing the Beast and the Great Tribulation, but you disagree with everything I've said. In Revelation 7:3, we see that God seals His bond-servants on their foreheads. The Mark of the Beast was Satan's counterfeit mark. Do you believe God's servants will receive a literal mark in the future? If not, why would you believe the Mark of the Beast will be literal? This is about those Jews who aligned themselves with the Old Covenant system who were "marked" for access into the temple. (For further reading, see "Last Days Madness" by Gary DeMar, page 250.) -
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