That is the beauty of the Sovereign Grace of GOD. He is able to save all those that HE chose unto Salvation in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world!
Regeneration: Begotten By God
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by OldRegular, Jan 7, 2010.
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So explain to me why you all quote a passages that speaks of inability to bolster your claims if indeed they are all able?
for example Calvinist quote Romans 8: "It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so." to prove their point and it says they are "not able to do so."
and ""No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him"
Again, most Calvinists apply this to man's "total inability" because it says, "no one is able to come."
Why do you all insist on the a complex game of semantics? If he is unable to be willing, then he is unable, period. So hush up about that and deal with the arguments already. -
It makes God a cold hearted monster. Only a monster would take someone born into total depravity and refuse a way out. That is not the God of the Bible. People do not go to hell because God refused to regenerate them to faith, but rather because He held out His hand and they refused to take it.
Jesus was lifted up to draw ALL men unto Himself. Not just a few. -
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The analogy about saving someone from being hit by a truck and killed is false because we are already dead in our trespasses and sins. So, God is not preventing our death, He is bringing us back to life. That is the essence of salvation.
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pinoybaptist Active MemberSite Supporter
Originally Posted by jcjordan
so, since we are doing analogies, let's try this one which is much closer to being the real situation one is without Christ:
Let's say you have a 3 year old child who is out playing in the yard. You see your little cuttie getting closer and closer to the road. The road looks very attractive. The toy truck will roll much easier on that nice hard road, then it will the grass. You see a big truck coming down the road....and now your child is right in the middle of the road. Would you beg and plead with the child to move, or would usurp that child's precious free will, run out into the road, grab him and move him?
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Originally Posted by Amy.G
Ok. I'll play. So why does God only run into the road to save some of His children? Is that what you would do? What if 2 of your children are playing in the road? Which one would you save?
But both analogies presume that ALL mankind are God's children, and that is not correct.
All mankind are God's creation thru the Federal headship of Adam, but not all are God's children. -
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The other assumption is quite Biblical.
God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Unfortunately we live in a world where people are so heart-hardened that they would rather be run over by a truck than to submit to the authority of Christ. But then, that's their choice. :) -
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Do you acknowledge that the Lord is not obligated to save anyone? Do you concede that no one deserves His mercy? Do you admit that He hardens those He chooses?
This monster-God that the non-Cals keep charging the Calvinists with is blasphemous. Get biblical for a change. -
Your answers...yes, yes, depends on your meaning, as hardening a corpse is meaningless, and God does nothing meaningless.
IN THE ANALOGY...any god like that would be monsterous. Nobody "charged" anybody with anything, so you can come down from your soap box. -
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Joh*3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -
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The non-Cals believe in a God that loves all His creation and desires all to be saved. This is a loving God, not a monster.
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