Well Dave, you got that going for you! ;)
Romans 9 and Calvinism
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Sep 16, 2021.
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It’s all who believe or are believing
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Thanks for the comment
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Whosoever is not in the Greek text
it is all who are believing or all of those believing -
Joh 3:16 for God did so love the world, that His Son—the only begotten—He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-duringYLT
So what's the difference they both mean everyone not some select few.
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
@MB we are saying the same thing on John 3:16. I think?
I never said that it referred to the elect
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
You obviously either cannot or did not read
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In Romans 5, it’s the latter, as seen in context. He says we “gain access to this grace” and immediately says to “stand” and “glory in tribulation”.
He is speaking, in this context, of gaining access, through faith, to God’s enabling grace that allows the Christian to endure for the cause of Christ.
The person is already saved by grace through faith, and gains access to God’s enabling grace.
Thanks for the comments. I know we might disagree but I appreciate the civil discussion.
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Let’s look at the passage:
Romans 5:1-3 (1)“Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”
The action of justification is complete. The sinner is saved and has peace with God.
(2) “By whom, also, we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand and rejoice in hope of the glory of God”
Notice the word “also”. In addition to being justified (saved) and at peace with God we get something else. What? We get access to the grace that allows us to “stand” and “rejoice”.
(3) “And not only so, but we glory in tribulations….”
In addition to being justified (saved), and then having access to the grace that allows us to rejoice in hope, we get something else. This “enabling grace” allows us to glory in tribulations.
The theme of enabling grace is a regular theme in Paul’s letters. I hope you see the passsge in context now.
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Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
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