The context of Romans 5:1-5 is not saving grace but enabling grace. Notice Paul says we “stand” in that grace. In the very next verse he says they “glory in tribulations”.
Once we are saved, we gain access to God’s enabling grace that allows us to stand firm in the midst of persecution and tribulation.
Paul is not speaking of gaining access to God’s saving grace by faith, but that once we are saved, we have access to God’s enabling grace.
peace to you
Romans 9 and Calvinism
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Sep 16, 2021.
Page 3 of 11
-
-
-
MB -
-
MB -
MB -
-
peace to you -
]
MB -
MB -
MB -
Saying “not true”, won’t change the context and meaning of the passage. Saying,”phony philosophy” won’t change the context and meaning of the passage. Neither comment furthers an intellectually honest discussion on the passage.
Obviously, we are going to disagree. I thank you for the conversation.
peace to you -
All,
My heart is saddened by the posts I've read from both sides in this thread.
Please, let us remember to be civil and to leave off fighting amongst each other.
If the Scriptures cannot be shared and views discussed in a more friendly and benign manner,
I vote that further threads such as these be locked when the comments start to get heated, and not after the insults have already gone on for far too long....
As they have gone on and on in this one. :Sick
Enough already, gentlemen.
Must you continue to hammer away at each other?
It's one thing to disagree and to tell one another why, and quite another to prolong the engagement with constant bickering that serves no purpose other than to increase the anger and offenses towards each other.
@Squire Robertsson,
Please consider locking this one soon...it's getting too far out-of-hand, IMO. -
What I note is that you will not work through an entire passage. Dave has provided much opportunity for you to work through scripture and invites you to do so, yet you will not.
I invite you to work through passages of scripture so we understand the whole of scripture, but will you accept the invitation? -
-
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"MB,
Not everyone is given to welcome truth.
-
Romans 5:1-6 demonstrates Calvinism is false...
We gained access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. Thus we were saved by grace "by reason of our faith being credited as righteousness by God, by which we gained access to God's saving grace!!
Once again Calvinism struggles to understand that we access grace by reason of God accepting out faith, then first being accessed by God and given faith is precluded. So simple a child could understand it... -
-
-
Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Page 3 of 11