Rudy for President!

[jeremiah17]

raying: jesus chooses who is in authority:applause: :applause:

 

[KenH]

I hope that Jesus chooses Congressman Ron Paul.

 

[church mouse guy]

Well, Ken, it is a silly question so knock off the theatrics with the oversized red ink. If you don't want to vote for a divorced person, don't. I have already explained that I think that divorce is legal for no reason in this country and that I depart from Fundamentalism and Catholicism in that I allow divorce in cases of adultery or desertion (which assumes adultery after a period of time). So I disagree with you on divorce, Ken, evidently. I mean, Ken, I don't consider voting for a candidate the same as being the candidate's spouse so I trust Rudy as a leader and a popular Republican and I do not consider the fact that he has had two divorces any more disqualifying than the fact that Reagan had one divorced as disqualifying for him.

Rudy has 44 percent of the GOP voters according to polling. No one else is even close. The GOP usually nominates the front runner. Rudy is America's Mayor.

 

[KenH]

Rudy has 44 percent of the GOP voters according to polling.

According the GOP polling currently in this section of the Baptist Board Ron Paul has 50%. 50% beats 44%. Sorry to burst your bubble, cmg, but your man is losing to Ron Paul.

 

[KenH]

I don't consider voting for a candidate the same as being the candidate's spouse so I trust Rudy as a leader

Two people who knew him the most intimately couldn't trust him but you do. Wow!

 

[Rufus_1611]

Two people who knew him the most intimately couldn't trust him but you do. Wow!

The first marriage wasn't so much about trust as they didn't care for the idea that they were cousins (who would?), so after 14 years of marriage they had it annuled.

 

[poncho]

Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani

 

[church mouse guy]

Poncho, that article is not quite up-to-date. Rudy has already agreed to appoint judges along the lines that Bush has established. So that one is off the table.

Another thing that the article does not mention is foreign policy. Rudy is the only figure to stick with traditional GOP foreign policy, which, I understand, Poncho, that you want to dump.

As for the gays, guns, and abortion, Rudy can close all of those issues by promising to run on the Republican platform as it now stands in relation to those issuess. He can confess that his personal feelings will not interfere with his being a representative of the majority of his party.

We went through all this divorce business with Reagan. Everything is legal and the gossip is viscious, just as it was with Reagan. I don't think that either Rejpublican opponents, like those on the Baptist Board, or Democrats can make hay on this issue. Divorce is allowed by Jesus in cases of adultery or desertion.

The real problem is that conservatives don't have a candidate. Ron Paul has libertarian positions on capital punishment, abortion, and same-sex marriage. He, too, is outside of the mainstream Republican thinking on those domestic issues, not to mention foreign policy.

The Republicans don't have anyone any better than Rudy at this time. Conservatives have no one at all acceptable to either party. That is because most conservatives would rather get rich than do public service for others.

 

[JGrubbs]

Rudy has 44 percent of the GOP voters according to polling. No one else is even close. The GOP usually nominates the front runner. Rudy is America's Mayor.

The Bush Administration has done a great job of moving the GOP to the left since Bush was first elected. They have been working to distance themselves from their conservative base in order to run a liberal candidate like Rudy in 2008.

Bush was selling himself as a pro-life, born again Christian conservative in both 2000 and 2004. I think it's a shame that the GOP has gone so far to the left in less than eight years that the "pro-life, Christian conservative" GOP voters are excited about rallying around a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-Constitution candidate like Rudy!

 

[church mouse guy]

Now, now, put the soapbox away and say, "Good-bye." There are no conservative candidates in the GOP at the moment. Besides, we don't need a member of the Constitution Party and their net publicists to lecture the GOP. Rudy is the best of the bunch at this time. The other two front-runners are McCain, who is no conservative and who is a maverick, and Romney, who is a member of a cult that teaches that everyman by working hard for Mormonism can become a god in charge of his own planet in the universe. In other words, $500,000,000 does not mean that Romney is not a nut.

The Constitution Party has an isolationist foreign policy and so they want to abolish capital punishment and allow individual states to abort the unborn--talk about hypocrites.

 

[JGrubbs]

CMG, you have mastered the art of dodging the issues over the years! :laugh:

 

[poncho]

Are we even talking about the same foreign policy CMG? Is it the same foreign policy as the neoconservatives? If it is it amounts to little more than trying to fight a fire by pouring gasoline on it. How is that in the least advantageous to America? Are we that desperate for enemies that we have to keep multiplying their numbers?

 

[LadyEagle]

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Lady Eagle

 

[Jack Matthews]

No Republican, no matter all the fuss now, stands a snowball's chance on a hot stove of being elected President in '08. Any of the Democrats in the top four or five positions, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, or even Al Gore, will easily defeat any Republican running by 10 percentage points or more in the popular vote, and at least 30 electoral votes.

 

[KenH]

There are no conservative candidates in the GOP at the moment.

There will be if Ron Paul declares his candidacy. And if he wins the nomination of the GOP he will beat the socks off anyone that the Democrats nominate. :thumbs:

 

[Jack Matthews]

There will be if Ron Paul declares his candidacy. And if he wins the nomination of the GOP he will beat the socks off anyone that the Democrats nominate. :thumbs:

Ron Paul is already too far behind in the money race to gain much ground on Giuliani or McCain. Even if he declared a candidacy, he'd likely have to drop out after the second primary, because he's not going to gain enough support by then to poll much more than 5 or 6%.

At this point, even the Republican party leadership realizes that its next best chance for the White House is 2016, and that 2008 is shaping up to be their worst rear-end kicking since Goldwater in 64, maybe worse than that.

 

[KenH]

Ron Paul is already too far behind in the money race to gain much ground on Giuliani or McCain.

Irrelevant. One of these years the Internet is going to make the difference in a presidential race - and 2008 may just be the year.

And the Democrats having such not-ready-for-prime-time candidates such as Obama and Clinton at the top of their list shows just how devoid of good ideas the Democrats are - as well as the current media favorites in the GOP such as McCain and Guiliani are also devoid of any good ideas and not-ready-for-prime-time.

 

[KenH]

Rudy is saying that his hero is Reagan

"The very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan

If Reagan is Rudy's hero then Rudy had best make a lot of big changes in his political platform.

 

[Jack Matthews]

Irrelevant. One of these years the Internet is going to make the difference in a presidential race - and 2008 may just be the year.

And the Democrats having such not-ready-for-prime-time candidates such as Obama and Clinton at the top of their list shows just how devoid of good ideas the Democrats are - as well as the current media favorites in the GOP such as McCain and Guiliani are also devoid of any good ideas and not-ready-for-prime-time.

Obama and Clinton would make quick work of Giuliani or McCain nationally. If that's the race, it won't be close. Obama would win by 10 to 12 percent, Clinton by 15 or more.

 

[KenH]

Obama and Clinton would make quick work of Giuliani or McCain nationally. If that's the race, it won't be close. Obama would win by 10 to 12 percent, Clinton by 15 or more.

Your faith in the electoral prowess of the Democrat presidential candidates is badly misplaced. Even the most popular Democrat in my lifetime - Bill Clinton - never received a majority of the popular vote. No Democrat presidential candidate has even received a substantial majority of the popular vote after 1964.