Now this is a jewel of a conversation!!!:thumbs::tonofbricks:
Seeking truth about "tongues"...
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by lugnut1009, Jun 17, 2013.
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Tell me then, what was Paul's purpose in writing this verse to the Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 12:2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. -
Prove that he does:
Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
There is nothing there about speaking in another language (the gift of tongues).
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It is also foolish because the only reason for even the possibility of your doctrine is to claim a superior spiritual way to pray. Otherwise it serves no purpose any better than praying "in the Spirit" by English.
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Praying in the Holy Ghost sounds a lot like vs. 14...For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth!...What is it then? I will pray with the spirit! -
Take the verse in another translation, away from the KJV, and see how you do:
(CEV) Dear friends, keep building on the foundation of your most holy faith, as the Holy Spirit helps you to pray.
--Build on the foundation of your most holy faith.
How do you do that? It comes by the study of the word; by the fellowship of God's people; by prayer (in your own language); by witnessing to others; by the continual obedience to the commands of Christ.
--AS the Holy Spirit helps you to pray.
There is nothing about tongues here. The Holy Spirit helps all of us to pray. And that is not speaking in other languages. There is nothing in this verse about tongues. -
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues" (Mark 16:17).
Who is left out in this scriptures? Those that do not believe!
Who do you see was left out on the day of Pentecost in the upper room?
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:4).
"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised [Jewish] believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God." (Acts 10:44-46)
Who was left out?
"While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" "John's baptism," they replied. Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. There were about twelve men in all." (Acts 19:1-7)
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