Should Christians be REPUBLICAN?

I am not endorsing Bush, I have some real issues with him. But your statement is naive to say the lest. Kerry is not for you as a working person. He has more money than any other candidate and he could not care less about you or your job situation. If he did then his many years in the Senate would have shown that. He will say anything in order to become president and you cannot create wealth by taxing people to death, that only destroys intiative and creates a socialists state.

Finally, you are willing to follow a man with no moral standard. He even rejects his own churches teachings to gain the votes of the majority. He is for the slaughter of the unborn. He is for the union of sodomites. Or wait a minute he may not be for those, let's wait for the wind to change.

Bro Tony

 

I don't believe that at all -- that was a promise given to Israel, not the U.S. We are not going to be healed -- sin is going to increase until Jesus comes back. The percentage of actual born again believers in the US is probably about 10%. This came from a Barna poll but it was what I guessed before I even saw the poll. </font>[/QUOTE]Marcia,
IMO. Israel was Gods chosen people. today we are Gods people (believers) God of course is not done with Israel. But I believe many of Old Testament writtings promises can still be applied to are life today. Your the first person who I have ever heard disagree with. :confused:


Bob

 

Well, don't feel alone -- I hear Christians quote this all the time as though it applies to the U.S. so I know I must be one of the few who disagree that it does. I have never understood how Christians can think it applies to the U.S.

Yes, we are God's people, but God's people includes all believers everywhere! So how can this statement specifically made to Israel apply to any country today?

I think God's promise to Abraham and other promises about the Gentiles being blessed apply to us. Those are usually referred to in the NT (as in Galatians and the promise to Abraham). But generally speaking, I do not think promises made specifically to Israel apply to the U.S.

 

Nations don't bow down to God and repent of their sins. People do. The Bible says that narrow is the gate that leads unto salvation and few will find it. Our government, and our politics, have absolutely nothing to do with this. It's up to the Church and individual Christians to evangelize as we are commanded to do by Jesus. That being said, I'd like for the GOVERNMENT to support job growth and to stay out of religion.

 

Gal. 2:1. Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me.
2. And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
3. Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
4. But this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage),
5. to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6. But from those who seemed to be something whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
7. But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
8. (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles),
9. and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
10. They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do. (NKJV)

Jesus never said a word about abortion even though it was a very common thing in his day. There were other matters that to Him were of much graver concern, and regarding these matters he spoke:

Luke 4:16. So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
17. And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
18. "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
19. to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.'' (NKJV)

If Evangelical Christians had the values that Jesus did, we wouldn’t need the Democratic Party. The fact is, however, that most Evangelical Christians would rather invest their money in recreational vehicles and other extremely expensive luxuries than in caring for the poor. But you say, “Let the poor man get a job!” Well, he had one that paid him so little that he could not pay his rent, so he got evicted, lost his job, and is eating out of dumpsters. But you say, “Let the poor man get a better job!” Well, he had one till the factory was closed and his job was shipped to China. So you say, “Let him go back to school and learn a new trade!” And I say, “It was the Democrats who fought for those schools, but the Republicans’ tax cuts put an end to the job training programs. And you say, “Abortion is murder!” because it doesn’t cost you a dime. And I say to you, “Remember the poor.”

 

Then you obviously will reason the positions out and vote for Bush and the Republicans, right?

There is a very simple economic principle governing job growth. New jobs are linked directly to business activity. Government's major impacts on business activity are taxes and regulations.

If you want less of something, you increase taxes and regulation. If you want less of something, you tax and regulate it. The effects aren't always immediate... in fact they are usually not felt for 2, 3, or even 10 years.

Bill Clinton's "economic legacy" is not a function of successful federal policies... nor was the balanced budgets. Both were wholly due to the technology revolution that raged during the '90's plus the fact that a GOP Congress from '94 on prevented him from raising taxes more.

Kerry will try to raise taxes if elected. It is all but certain that he will try socialized medicine again. And there can be no doubt whatsoever that he will place far left activists in charge of all of the regulatory agencies. All of these things work against job creation in the long term and many times in the short term... although government hiring and a complicit left wing media can probably cover the short term and leave the mess for someone else.

If you think a shallow recession that never reached 8% unemployment was bad and a recovery that has created hundreds of thousands of new jobs while bringin unemployment to a level well under Clinton's average is bad... wait til you see what a real liberal leaves in his wake.

Is abortion a government or religious matter? How about murder? Stealing? How about lying under oath?

There are significant overlaps between the religious and political on matters of morality and "rights".

I agree that government should stay out of religion however I disagree that religious people have no right to voice opinions based on their convictions and religion based worldview.

 

Prior to the welfare programs of FDR, Christians did a better job of helping the poor and elderly. The depression of the 1890's came and went without the "New Deal".

The fact is government displaced religion in a subversive way.

Have you asked one of these people to help with a need and had them refuse? If not, how is it that you now judge them for something you weren't even willing to make them aware of?

How many of these people do you know? How many have you linked up with the EC's that you earlier condemned?

Perhaps he should have worked harder... perhaps he shouldn't have went out on strike... perhaps he should have supported his companies efforts to automate... perhaps he should use his expertise to start a company to compete... perhaps he should take advantage of the freedoms that we have and start his own business like immigrants and others do all the time.

Or... he could come to my town where we can't get people to work the jobs we have. Good paying jobs but requiring long hours, hard work, and good work ethics.

It isn't the job of government to train people in a trade... and schools are a poor place for most of that kind of job skills training. The government could and should encourage companies to train people and have apprenticeships... but then liberal politicians couldn't take the credit.

Abortion is murder and there are none poorer or more defenseless in our society than the unborn.