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Featured Should the saved "care" about the lost going to Hades and Gehenna?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jan 11, 2022.

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  1. JesusFan

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    Gospel good news for those save by it, not a good message for the lost
     
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    Fiction. A Ransom for all indicates a corporate ransom.
     
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    Once again SOLJ answers a question with an question. Here is the unanswered question: "Did Jesus bring a message of hope or futility?" If the lost have no opportunity for salvation, then Calvinism turns the good news into bad news.
     
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    Lots of Calvinists hold to false doctrine, blinded by their presuppositions. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says people are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. However, Calvinists understand this to mean chosen not through faith in the truth.
     
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    So Lord Jesus died in the place of a plan, and not me on an individual basis then?
     
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    No, we hold to chosen and elected b y God, who then gifted us with saving faith in order to confirm his election of us
     
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    Do those in hell still have a hope of salvation?
     
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    Acts 5:42
    And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not stop teaching and preaching the good news of Jesus as the Christ.

    According to the nonsense of Calvinism each and every individual that was preached to was elect and none rejected the gospel. As I said, utter nonsense...
     
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    Repeating obviously false doctrine is the sine qua non of Calvinism...
     
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    Are you actually preaching universalism!!!
     
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    interesting this flower is not mentioned in the Bible! You ever wonder why? :Geek
     
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    The man-centered Calvinist doctrine makes God responsible for the lost going into eternal punishment, scripture indicates some of the lost might be saved through effective witness. For example, some people would have repented had they seen the miracles Jesus performed elsewhere. Or the fields are white with harvest.

    Do the lost, living today, have an opportunity for salvation, or is the outcome of their life a foregone conclusion? Calvinism says "a foregone conclusion" but scripture says the kingdom of God is at hand.

    Calvinist doctrine claims the lost have no opportunity to choose life, because the outcome of their life is a foregone conclusion.
    Not the gospel of Christ...

    Mark 1:15
    and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

    According to Calvinism, Jesus is mistaken as the lost are not able to repent or believe.

    According to Calvinism, the good news is an illusion, as there is no opportunity for salvation among those previously consigned to Hades and Gehenna. Jesus says "seek God" but Calvinism says no lost person ever seeks God.

    On and on folks, two very different gospels...
     
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    yet more unbiblical nonsense! :eek:
     
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    Should the saved "care" about the lost going to Hades and Gehenna?

    Με νοιάζει να πάνε στην κόλαση.

    Sorry I was overcome with the unexplained sudden urge to write in Greek.
     
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    no one could ever what to go there!
     
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    I didn't attack you, I just stated the obvious. If you feel that this is an attack on your character maybe you should do some self reflection. Seems rather hypocritical of you to say someone else is attacking your character, when that seems to be all you do to others.
    I'm not going to waste my time and energy on someone whose mind is already made up and simply wants to argue for the sake of arguing. I work in a correctional facility I get plenty of that on a daily basis.
     
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    :Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao

    Pot calling...
     
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    NOTE: Unless someone posts an intelligent answer to the TOPIC rather than sniping attacks on calvinism, this thread will be closed or moved to the calvinism discussion

    The question was straight-forward and I will make it personal: DO YOU CARE if a lost person goes to hell (not playing stupid game with hades/gehenna as that is NOT the issue.

    I care. I pray for the Lost to be found and shown grace for heaven. Why wouldn't I? God showed that grace to ME; why WOULDN'T I want that for everyone?
     
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    No, asking if you were, as you stated before hell was not eternal!
     
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    NO Calvinistic teaches universalism!
     
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