Should women vote in business meetings

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  1. Reynolds Well-Known Member
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    A hen pecked man that needs to put his wife in her place.
    The apostle was the final authority in the NT church. They were what sex? Male.
     
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    Junias may be at least one exception to your assertion:

    Romans 16:7
    "Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me."
     
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    Junias did not become female until quite recently. He was a man when he lived. Liberals are seeking to make him a female.
     
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    In the case of Romans 16:7, I think the language more likely means that Andronicus and Junias were well-known and highly respected by the apostles, rather than that they were apostles.
     
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    Could be. But the interpretation that Junia was an apostle is not a modern invention. The church fathers were almost unanimous in identifying Junia as a woman and as an apostle.
     
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    Dan Wallace has an interesting article on the topic at Bible.org, Junia Among the Apostles: The Double Identification Problem in Romans 16:7. Here's part of how he ends it:
     
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    I don't believe in corporate voting but if you're going to have corporate voting, I see no Biblical reason not to allow women to vote.
     
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    I want to ask a kind question then: what do you believe is superior to corporate voting? I ask to discover more about how to run churches. I myself am very skeptical of voting as I fail to find it in the Word of God.

    What I really need to do a bible study on godly womanhood, and then start a thread on that when I can.
     
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    why not
     
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    John Chrysostom, Homily 31 on Romans, circa 400
     
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    Elder rule.
     
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    Church consensus
     
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    Good post, Robert.

    Even in the Catholic church this was a pattern. Augustine was chosen for the priesthood by acclamation. "It was not his intention to become a priest. He was visiting the town of Hippo, was in church hearing a sermon, and the bishop, without warning, said, 'This Church is in need of more priests, and I believe that the ordination of Augustine would be to the glory of God.' Willing hands dragged Augustine forward, and the bishop together with his council of priests laid hands on Augustine and ordained him to the priesthood." He was later installed as bishop by a council of bishops, clergy and laymen.

    Consensus should be the goal. Unfortunately, fallen humans being fallen, they can corrupt any method of church government.
     
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    And what place might that be? the nail salon? in the pool while her husband grills dinner? ;)

    And inasmuch as the women were to not "suffer" teaching men, speaking up, the men in the congregation were to also not be teaching, or talking, but being quiet, Because, as men were supposed to be familiar with the order, that the congregation be quiet, and listen to the speaker, so too, when women were permitted attend Temple/Church, the same order was expressed to them.

    In Corinth, as I recall, (and probably not exclusive to that city), it was not unusual for a "Church" gathering to be full of people, curious, asking questions, wanting answers, and all talking at once., because lest we forget; introducing the teachings of Christ WAS an absolutely a foreign concept.

    I don't hold too much stock that women are forbidden to teach. If one wants to hear, go, if you don't don't. And do not forget, there are plenty of men who play no role in fulfilling a Scriptural foundation for their wives or family.
     
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    Should women vote in business meetings ~

    Depends on if the meeting entails something women are vested in.

    Such as; if the women are vested in being responsible for decorations, flowers, accounting the money, books, records, organizing materials...
    etc. well, then yes.

    Because "in business" (as in some others things), one fraction of something always involves to some extent another fraction of the whole.
     
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    I agree. I would also throw in matters of leadership, doctrine, church discipline, purchasing land, building programs, distribution of funds and assistance, programs of education, selection of teachers, elders, and deacons, etc., since they are obviously "vested in" those things as well.
     
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    Personally ~ For myself, the last thing I find on my want to do list, is to sit in on a business meeting.
     
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    Or go to church at all?
     
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    Go? Christ's Church is within me. Where I am, so is He and me.
     
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    So you don't attend an assembly of believers with pastors and deacons?