SOULS DIE

HAS eternal life...

Has is a present tense word..

We are in the state of living forever.

Those of us that are christian, that is.

 

Those that are not christians will also go on living, but not what one would call life. They will go on living in torment for all eternity in the lake of fire.

 

we shall all be made alive again.....at His Coming - 1 Cor. 15: 21-23

 

I have His life now. I don't have to wait.

 

ARE WE IMMORTAL?

Adam was made a living soul; but was he not a spiritual man?
"Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual." 1 Cor. 15:46.

When does man become a spiritual being?
"It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body, There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." 1 Cor. 15:44.

To what does the sowing refer?
"That which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die." 1 Cor. 15:36.
NOTE. - Man does not have the undying, spiritual nature of the angels until the resurrection. Then, if righteous, he cannot die anymore ( Luke 20:36), because he is "equal unto the angels."

How is man's nature defined?
"Shall mortal man be more just than God?" Job 4:17. NOTE. - Mortal. "Subject to death." Webster.

What is God's nature?
"Now unto the King, eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen." 1 Tim. 1:17.
NOTE. - Immortal. "Exempt from liability to die." Webster.

When the sinner has been converted, what then is his prospect for life?
"For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory." Col. 3:3, 4.

The word immortal occurs but once in the English Bible (1 Tim. 1:17) , and is there applied to God; is any other said to have immortality?
"Who is the blessed and only potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords: who only hath immortality." 1 Tim. 6:15, 16.

How is this desirable boon brought to light?
"But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." 2 Tim 1:10.
NOTE. - Then without the gospel one cannot have immortality, but the death penalty must abide on him.

How does man obtain immortality?
"To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life." Rom. 2:7.
NOTE. - One does not need to seek for a thing which he already possesses.

When will the faithful receive immortality?
"Behold, I show you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1 Cor. 15:51, 52.

What is then to be swallowed up?
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Cor. 15:54.

 

You know what? This is a very serious thing, to keep on believing that the dead are not really dead.

If any of you are just debating for the sake of arguement, this would be the time to really come up to this topic and put aside all your preconceived opionions.

To believe the dead are alive is the foundational teaching of SPIRITUALISM and its a very serious error.

To believe that the dead are really not dead is not a Protestant teaching. It came out of Roman Catholicism who got it from the teachings of spiritualism.


The martyr Tyndale, referring to the state of the dead, declared: "I confess openly, that I am not persuaded that they be already in the full glory that Christ is in, or the elect angels of God are in. Neither is it any article of my faith; for if it were so, I see not but then the preaching of the resurrection of the flesh were a thing in vain."--William Tyndale, Preface to New Testament (ed. 1534). Reprinted in British Reformers--Tindal, Frith, Barnes, page 349.


The theory of the immortality of the soul was one of those false doctrines that Rome, borrowing from paganism, incorporated into the religion of Christendom. Martin Luther classed it with the "monstrous fables that form part of the Roman dunghill of decretals."--E. Petavel, The Problem of Immortality, page 255. Commenting on the words of Solomon in Ecclesiastes, that the dead know not anything, the Reformer says: "Another place proving that the dead have no . . . feeling. There is, saith he, no duty, no science, no knowledge, no wisdom there. Solomon judgeth that the dead are asleep, and feel nothing at all. For the dead lie there, accounting neither days nor years, but when they are awaked, they shall seem to have slept scarce one minute."-- Martin Luther, Exposition of Solomon's Booke Called Ecclesiastes, page 152.


Claudia

 

When I accepted Christ as my Savior, death was swallowed up in victory. I like DHK am and always will be immortal because of the life of Christ that is in me.

Christ will not die again.

 

Claudia,

to believe that the wicked will not be tormented in the lake of fire for all eternity is cultish. It is contrary to God's Word. However, the fact that the Bible teaches that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord is not spiritualism as you surmise, but rather sound Biblical doctrine.

 

Rev.
21:8
But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars--their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."


Rev.
20:6
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

 

Jesus said the rich man died and in hell he lifted his eyes being in torment.

To deny the existence of the very hell Jesus spoke of is utter foolishness.

 

Dont you comprehend this that our eternal life is HID with Christ... we receive the promise. that doesnt mean you are NOW immortal.

When the sinner has been converted, what then is his prospect for life?
"For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory." Col. 3:3, 4.

thats referring to the second coming of Christ,

 

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

What is the second death is the lake of fire itself. It is not something that brings about the non-existence of those who are thrown in for we see in verse 10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

All who are in the lake of fire will be tormented forever and ever. There is no comfort, no ceasing to feel pain.

 

I do not doubt the Second Coming of Christ, but I will be with Him when He comes the second time, not waiting for a Second Coming.

 

You do err not knowing the Scriptures neither the power of God.

Spiritualism is communication with the dead, which, being impossible to do, is actually communication with demons impersonating dead people. So before posting something ridiculous get your facts straight.
Communication with the dead in the Old Testament was strictly forbidden and was known as necromancy. Do a word search and you will find this sin condemned often in the Bible. It is communication with the dead, put in the same classification as sorcery and the condemnation of witches.

The fact is that people die. When people die their spirits go to be with the Lord, or in Hell. If that didn't happen Jesus would be a liar. Read John 14. Paul would be a liar. Read 2Cor.5. We are spirit beings. That is a fact. The RCC prays to Mary because they know that her spirit is in heaven. Praying to her is wrong. That her spirit is in heaven is not wrong. That her body is still in the grave is true because the resurrection has not taken place is correct. You cannot deny the existence of the spirit. There is a body, soul and spirit. Look up 1Thes.5:23.
DHK

 

standingfirm,

please check out the original Greek word for "hell" in this verse. Is it "hades", "gehenna" or "tartaroo" ??


All three Greek words are translated "hell" in English. And they all have very different meanings.


Rev.
21:8
But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars--their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

 

The doctrine of the immortal soul was only one of the many false doctrines which the Catholics brought in. And in the process, the concept of "soul" and "spirit" got confused. According to them, a man's "soul" was his "spirit."


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THE PRE-EXISTENCE DOCTRINE
When you think in terms of an immortal spirit or an eternal life, you start to realize that eternity in this sense goes BACKWARD as well as FORWARD; it goes into the past as well as into the future. Therefore, if a soul or spirit is eternal then it had to exist before it took over a body, and it must also continue after that body dies. So where were they before they became fleshly bodies? The false teaching is, that a man is not what he appears to be. Supposedly he is a spirit-being with this external flesh attached just to give him form. According to them, the real person is not the body which is temporal, but the spirit which Is eternal. This adds up to "pre-existence." This doctrine is taught by several pseudo-Christian groups-like the Mormons-who claim that they were Immortal spirits some place up in heaven before they came down to earth and slipped into a body of flesh.


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THE REINCARNATION DOCTRINE
One of the natural results of the false doctrine of pre-existence is that It naturally leads to a belief In reincarnation. Our fleshly body cannot live very long, so If you are really an Immortal spirit you have to go somewhere else when the body dim Usually, they claim that we go from body to body. You cannot remain forever In one body, so you must "transmigrate" (reincarnate). "Incarnation" Is a pagan concept of a spirit being possessing a flesh body. Truthfully, I do not believe It is even a viable term, but It Is a popular concept nonetheless. The doctrine of incarnation Is that a spirit can "incarnate" or possess, a flesh body. "Reincarnation," then, is simply a repeat of that process where a spirit being is said to possess one body until that body dies and then move on to another body until it dies-and on and on it goes. First John, chapter 4 addresses this problem directly:

'Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits (test the spirits), whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit (not every ghost but every motive) that confesseth that Jesus Christ Is cow In the flesh is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is the spirit of antichrist...' 1 J n 4:1-3
Gnostics held, according to the pre-existence doctrine, that Jesus was actually a spirit and not flesh. That, by definition, made them "antichrists." In Greek, "ANTI-CHRIST" means "IN PLACE OF CHRIST" (ANTE = in place of). The gnostic teaching of reincarnation described another Christ. This other Christ was the one whom the Gnostics claimed was not flesh. This imaginary non flesh christ was an "ante-Christ" - a christ who was put % place of" the true Christ. John was warning Christians against accepting a counterfeit ante-Christ.

This heresy is known as Gnosticism and it has serious implications concerning Jesus. "Gnostic" is a Greek word that means "to know." Therefore, a "Gnostic" is "one who knows." What does he claim to know? Simply this: that we are each immortal and cannot die. Therefore, the immortality of the soul was their salvation - omitting their need for Christ.

Now, if you think you have an immortal soul, then you must think that Jesus did too. If Jesus had an immortal soul, guess what? OUR SAVIOUR NEVER DIED FOR US! (Remember you cannot die if you are immortal). If you embrace the teachings of Gnosticism, you do not need Christ to die for you; all you need is someone to tell you that you are eternal -so you can "know" it. Of course, Gnostics do not believe Christ really died. They believe that Christ was not flesh because flesh is evil. Therefore, He was a spirit in a mere "envelope of flesh," and on the cross only the flesh died. Jesus, himself (the spirit), went right on living. In other words, Gnostics claim that Jesus did not die. Therefore, if He did not die He could not have been resurrected. That is Gnosticism. . Unfortunately, this very serious doctrinal error is believed by many in Christendom today.

 

Claudia and wopik,

Satan must be clapping his hands and jumping with joy to have you believing all the lies that he has been feeding you. You are very deceived.

 

"The rich man also DIED, and was buried" - Lk 16:22.


Jesus said, "...The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil [including the rich man], unto the resurrection of damnation [judgement]" - John 5:28-29.

 

Jesus did not say WHEN this rich man, "in hell", lifted up his eyes. Jesus pictured him as one of the wicked or lost. We must look to other scriptures to tell us WHEN the unjust will lift up their eyes in their GRAVES.


In Rev. 20:4, we read of the resurrection of those IN CHRIST - at His Coming.


But Rev. 20:5 says, "But the rest of the dead LIVED NOT AGAIN until the thousand years were finished." So the rresurrection of the rich man and all the unjust or unsaved will take place after the millennium.


So while Jesus, in speaking about the rich man and Lazarus, did not say WHEN the rich man will open his eyes and be resurrected out of his grave, other scriptures do reveal that it will be after the millennim.

 

Was the Apostle Paul, who wrote 1Thes.5:23 a Catholic? Who would have ever thought? :rolleyes:
Leave it to a SDA to make that accusation.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Yeah, those are real Catholic doctrinnes aren't they? The fact that the Catholics may believe in them, just as they believe in the trinity, and the deity of Christ, doesn't mean that these doctrines originate with them. That is false.

What is true, is that your false doctrines of soul sleep and annihilation of the wicked is promoted by a false 20th century prophet called Ellen G. White, who did not base her beliefs on the Bible. This is why you resort so much to quoting from her book which you are continually admonished not to. Why can't you prove your case using only the Scriptures? Because it doesn't exist!
DHK