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Correct, thats Justification before God.
Yes and I cant believe you are saying this, must be a catch to it !
Ah, now you want to misrepresent what I say. I believe in limited atonement remember ? Christ didn't die for everyone. So how do you get me setting forth a universal view ? Thats dishonesty and if you keep it up, I wont respond to you anymore.
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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Brightfame52, Sep 14, 2022.
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9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Forgiveness of sins is Salvation/Justification and its in and through His Blood, and those He died for have it.
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All for whom Christ has died has a clean slate before God's Law and Justice, and so the vital application of the healing takes effect, which heals our backsliding in adam, or our turning to our own way Isa 53:6. This healing gives us repentance toward God and Faith in Jesus Christ.
Those words of yours that I put in bold are why I say you are putting forward a universalist doctrine. You may say you believe in a limited atonement but your post says different.
Romans 5:6 Christ died for the ungodly
Romans 5:8 while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us
Romans 5:10 while we were enemies we were reconciled to God
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
And why would He do this
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
So BF since you keep saying that all those Christ died for will be healed and you equate being healed to being saved that would make you a universalist according to the bible.
Good thing God does not think like you do, He has set a condition for salvation
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
The same gospel that He tells us we need to believe
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
So BF if you are going to quote me then quote me. It really is less than honest to make false statements and you should know better. -
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25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification. -
1 Timothy 2:3-6, ". . . For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. . . ." -
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You are conflating healed with saved and that is not biblical. We are healed of our sin by the blood of Christ but we are saved by His life. If Christ did not rise then we would ALL still be lost.
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
1Co 15:15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
BF it is obvious that you do not like what the bible says as it shows your theology is in error. But you need to submit yourself to the authority of the bible not your calvinism. -
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For Christ also hath once suffered[unto death] for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Now you deny that Christs death for the ungodly elect #1 healed them, #2 brought them to God. -
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25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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who was betrayed and crucified because of our sins, and was raised [from the dead] because of our justification [our acquittal—absolving us of all sin before God]. -
I affirm ". . . Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. . . ." That it requires the general redemption. -
Christ is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe.
Acts 4:12; John 14:6; Acts 2:21, 16:31.
All men, because He’s the only Saviour, specially, because:
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