Calv1: Jesus did veil His divinity completely, and He did not give himself "Amnesia"! Nor did He divest Himself of His divine attributes, but rather "Became a servant", that is acted only according to His human nature. He controlled the elements, healed, etc. as a human filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, as Paul and Peter later did.
As for knowledge, it is clear that God is all knowing. We can't interject phrases like "He will forget our sins" to imply that God no longer knows about our sins, but rather knows about them, but chooses to see only Christs righteouness on us. If He literally "Forgot" our sins, then we would be considered righteous on our own account.
the attributes of god
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Apr 23, 2011.
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Hi DHK, why do you claim my definition of "Omniscience" does not mean "all-knowing" when it is made up of the same two words as yours? Absurd.
Yes, my definition is man-made, derived from the Bible. Yours is not found in the Bible either.
Then you post that God cannot be less than all-knowing with all knowing meaning knowing everything imaginable. This is false, with no support in scripture. Repeating an obvious falsehood does not make it any less false.
Then you list the usual suspects once again, none of which actually support your premise. Shall we go over them one more time?
1 Kings 8:9 refers to living people, people who have ways of living which God knows. This verse does not address future people. So yet another non-germane verse.
Job 28:24 again addresses what exists, not what the future holds. So yet another non-germane verse.
Psalm 139:12 - ditto
Psalm 147:4 - ditto
Proverbs 15:3 - ditto
Proverbs 15:11 - ditto
Isaiah 40:26 - ditto
Acts 1:24 - ditto
Hebrews 4:13 - ditto
Acts 15:18 - this verse says God makes known things from old, and is fully consistent with the Biblical definition I provided.
Psalm 14:2 - this verse actually supports my position, God would not need to look know to "see" or discern the thoughts and actions of men, if the unbiblical definition was true.
Isaiah 44:8, yet another non-germane verse that says there is no God except Yahweh.
So at the end of the day, not one verse supports undermines the biblical definition and several undermine the umbilical definition.
God's knowledge is beyond what we can measure, hence, unsearchable or unfathomable. No verse, properly translated supports the assertion that God's knowledge is infinite and therefore unlimited.
The unbiblical definition of Omniscience rests on the logical fallacy of the hasty generalization. My verses, such as Psalm 14:2 present the need for the biblical view, God knows everything He has chosen to know.
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Reply to Skandelon and Cav1
God would not be surprised by the sins recorded in His inspired word, but when any one whose sin is recorded in any manner (newspaper, bible, you name it) approaches God, He has no memory of that person's past sins, they have been forgiven, and those past sins are not remembered. We have a continuous clean slate. God is not a liar. -
You have a week god. I worship a sovereign all knowing powerful God. -
I don't believe it is calling God a "liar" to suggest that his "remembering them no more" is in reference to his decision to treat the person as if they had never sinned and no longer need to carry the guilt of that sin. Jesus approached Peter after his weeping confessional to restore him and help him find healing. Many sins we commit require years of healing and restoration, so to suggest God has literally no recollection of our past wrong doings, their effects and our need for recovery from the pain they have caused is a bit shortsighted.
When we say, "I have forgotten about it," we are expressing our choice to not think about the sin and to treat a person as if they didn't wrong us. Do you think all people who use this type of verbiage to be a liars as well? -
I do believe you are not recognizing metaphors when they are used.
I will give you a simple one.
A friend and I are offended at each other. Something has come up to cause us to to be somewhat angry with each other.
Later on we reconcile our differences and "bury the hatchet."
Literally, neither of us have a hatchet to bury.
So what does that mean? It means that we have forgiven each other and we won't bring the matter up again. Not bringing it up again, or burying the hatchet, is the same as forgetting it altogether, though that may be humanly impossible for each of us to do. We will always remember the incident. But as far as each one of us is concerned it is forgotten.
It is the same with the Lord. He is omniscient. He has "forgotten" our sins in that they will never be held against us. That is a promise. But in reality, being omniscient, he cannot forget anything. All knowledge belongs to him. -
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When God thinks of you, now found in Christ, All he now sees is the blood of Jesus atoning for all Sins, and your new relationship /covenant thru the Cross of Christ...
Crude analogue would be like someone doing really bad things, murder etc than the judge says that he has a pardon from the State, and his past crimes will not be used against him any more, to be remembered no more... -
Yes there is a big difference between saying God actually remembers the sins, and God does not remember them. God is not a liar. He can limit His knowledge according to scripture.
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It means what it says, not what it does not say. Scripture alone is our authority. God is not a liar, He remembers no more our sins forever.
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Van, I don't think it is reasonable to imply that we believe God to be a liar because we don't teach that He has literally forgotten a large portion of human history.
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You can attach my character and qualifications till the cows come home, but scripture alone is my authority and it says God remembers my sins no more forever. God is not a liar.
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Remember: to recall to the mind by an act or effort of memory; think of again
Forget: to be unable to recall
Choosing not to remember, by these definitions, would clearly be different from forgetting. God could be able to recall the knowledge of something but choose to not bring it to mind or recall it again so as to judge the man for doing it. Seems pretty straight-foward to me and we don't have God lying to anyone either. -
God is omniscient! He doesn't forget and has all knowledge. One must read the Bible as a child and add to definitions to say that God doesn't have all knowledge.
While we usually think of not remembering something as forgetting, it really isn't. We still have the knowledge, just don't have it in the front of our minds. -
No one can make the point that God knows everything imaginable, He remembers our sins no more forever. He limits His knowledge according to His purpose.
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