I have to give the Greek again, as the English is not clear, "εγω και ο πατηρ εν εσμεν", Here we have Jesus Christ as the Speaker, "I", in the 1st Person singular; and "The Father", in the 3rd Person singular. The Jesus says literally "WE Are", which is in the masculine, and plural in number. TWO Persons. Then we have "εν", which is the neuter, "One Being". It is impossible from this to conclude that Jesus Christ and the Father are One and the same "Person". One and the same "Being", as "God", yes.
Indeed, as the use of the masculine plural "εσμεν", is clear to show distinction. Had Jesus used the masculine "εἶς" (one), instead of the netuer "εν", He could well have meant "we are One Person"! But He carefully avoids doing this.
Not true at all Jesus and the Father are one God And the Holy Spirit is there Soirit
Show me where i indicated there is not a trinity. God the Father Jesus His son and the holy Spirit are altogether one God. If you believe you can explain this any better by all means do so
MB
Even above you describ God as essence which means;
"1. That which constitutes the particular nature of a being or substance, or of a genus, and which distinguishes it from all others."
This describes "one being"
MB
This entire discussion shows why knowing the original languages will be useful, as they can highlight to us certain things not really fully clear in the English translations!
It is complicating because of understanding each other. Both of you seem to me to be saying there is no trinity. And from what I read from each of you. You seem to be saying the same of me. I'm trying to explain the trininty as I understand it. This is all three being the same God.The Father ,The Son and The holy Spirit are one God. Sort of like God has three Offices and is still just one God. This is hard to wrap your mind around. Never the less it is true.
MB
Trying to put me in my place at the bottom I see.. This is why I question what you claim. I wonder how anyone can believe what you claim
Maybe you should have written it in Greek. If you are a Greek expert Then what professor ship do you hold? Do you have a degree in Biblical Greek? You act as if you know Biblical Greek as well as a translator of the scriptures. Why do other translators disagree with you In what the scriptures actually say? You certainly disagree with the KJV. Just what is it that makes your interpretation so accurate?.
You said in post 9
This tells me you do not believe in the trinity Did I fail to understand what you clearly said?
Actually you failed to explain what you are trying to say
MB