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The Function of the Law in the New Covenant..pt2

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Iconoclast, May 4, 2018.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    So they were the rule in how to liove for God for those such as Abraham and Moses and David, but not for us?
     
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    I think they're saying every human ever born has the ten commandments instilled in them.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Is that what they're saying?
     
    #82 kyredneck, May 8, 2018
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    No, these are the backbone of NT ethics. Not the Ten Commandments. If people were good, they wouldn't need the Ten Commandments. In the NT, people are good because of the New Birth.
     
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    So we still do not need to obey God and His Moral law then?
     
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    In the NT, it's REVEALED that people are good because of the New Birth (I prefer birth from above).
     
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    No, we are not good, but are redeemed!
     
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    i Think this can open a can of worms.

    Do you think God wants us walking around going--OH i'm a filthy, Rotten, Wretch, a Worm and Piece of Trash? Do you let your children say that?

    Your reformed/calvinist/Lutheran teachings may say that you are a worm, but the NT says I'm a Child of God Most High. ..and that sounds "Good" to me.
     
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    The heavenly birth gives us the 'want to' be good. Matthew 5:6
     
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    You antinomian postings do not define love...God's love....and yet when the Apostles define God's love they do it in terms of law keeping....
    How do you love God and your neighbor...the ten Commandments....put in your heart by God.ie, you do not murder your neighbor, you do not steal from him, you do not adulterate with your neighbor,or bear false witness...yes....
     
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    Wonder how they reconcile that with Total Depravity?
     
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    Maybe the Apostle Paul did not get to read your post....
    24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
     
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    Those things are for Unjust, Wicked, God Haters! I'm born from above, Of course i do not want to do those things...My desires are to be a Blessing to those around me--to Honor and Bless the Name of God--not simply "not stealing" "Not cheating on my wife". Loving Her means more than "not being an adulterer". You do realize that, right?
     
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    Very easily Kyred...

    The Ten Commandments instilled in Adam.....broken and damaged by the fall, nevertheless still there.
    God in regeneration begins to restore the image in redeemed man......
     
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    Paul's thought...when using the LAW to be righteous. You misunderstand Romans 7, as most reformed persons do.
     
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    Except the Law is spiritual--and you and others have said because of 1 Cor. 2, an uregenerate man cannot comprehend anything spiritual. You guys don't even see your own contradictions.
     
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    Good grief, since the guy has joined the board he's been accused of being CTB, NCT, and antinomian that I know of, and he's as well mannered participant that I've seen for a while.
     
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    That describes paul trying to keep the law, as it was perfect and good, but he was not, so needed the power of the Holy Spirit Himself to be now able to live as HE OUGHT!
     
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    Is the law a moral standard or not?
     
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    The commandments are given in the negative because we are sinners who need correction. They are given to define and protect the good.

    Are you claiming a second work of grace, or you are sinless now Jon...always doing the positive good? Or...does your biblically educated heart ,mind ,and conscience keep you flying right?
     
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    Right--Romans 8--living according to the Spirit. There is victory in living in the Spirit.
     
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