The idea that it is the will of man that chooses whether or not to be saved is false.
The Idea of Free Will
You need to look no further than John chapter 1. It states that it is not the will of the flesh but of God.
The Idea Of Free Will
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Oct 14, 2019.
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[QUOTE="MB, post: 2535519, member: 6404"There is not one scripture that states that God forces Salvation on anyone who does not believe.
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John the Baptist is a noteworthy exception. It could be argued that Saul of Tarsus is another. And Mary the mother of Jesus.
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So if there are some examples, that blows your claim that God does not do this out of the water. You just nullified your own argument. -
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I used #6, "it's a mystery" to describe my feeling as to why God chose to save these people without them believing first. It's the only scriptural examples of it happening. Otherwise there is:
John 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
I Cor. 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. -
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no, they were obedient, some later than others, like Jonah. A purpose or specif calling is an opportunity to service, not predestination to salvation. -
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Anyone who believes does so because they have heard the Gospel.
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"The idea that it is the will of man that chooses whether or not to be saved is false."
Then explain this verse;
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
I'll bet you can't show just one verse that supports God saving men with out faith.
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We choose God , the easier it is to rebuff temptation and choose good -
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If there is no freedom of choice then we say God causes sin,, no it is our disobedience -
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