The whole thing is built on Total Depravity. When a Total Depraved person does a ACTUAL GOOD ACT, its called evil or under evil motives.
Jesus Christ was charged with Total Depravity by the pharisees.
Matthew 12
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26“If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? 27“If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges. 28“But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29“Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
In other words here the pharisees charge that Jesus only does good things outside of God's will.
What is Jesus' comeback? If Satan casts out Satan he is divided against himself. And he points out the will STRONG MAN.
29“Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
If you take the devil to be the "STRONG MAN" there is no way a person is going to be doing anything remotely good unless he is already bound up the strong man.
The Idea Of Free Will
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Oct 14, 2019.
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Gen. 15:6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. -
maybe you flunked English.
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Based on the own pleasure of His own good will and for His own purposes, God chooses to save some based on nothing but His choice and His choice alone. Man has nothing to do with it. -
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Rev 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me -
The work is not the faith, but the reckoning of that faith, which is by the will and work of God alone.
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Rm.
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Revmitchell,
If you want an expanded list, here you go;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. -
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For you to understand this, you need to connect the dots.
if you are really searching you would do this.
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1Cor. 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
This is why classical arminians and calvinists required a grace that precedes faith. Man is totally unable to respond apart from this grace. Some believe this is actual regeneration, which seems to contradict other Scriptures.
Rom. 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Regardless, the natural man will not respond apart from an enlightening grace from the Supernatural. The question is, is this actual regeneration or is it an enlightenment that can be responded to with belief or unbelief? -
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