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https://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/-/abortion/

These guidelines were approved and voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council session in Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.

https://www.adventist.org/en/information/meetings/executive-committee/
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ARTICLE XIII—GENERAL CONFERENCE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE Sec. 1. a. During the intervals between Sessions of the General Conference, the General Conference Executive Committee is delegated the authority to act on behalf of the General Conference in Session. The membership of the General Conference Executive Committee includes representatives of all the divisions of the world field and the presidents of all unions and therefore speaks for the world Church. Major items affecting the world Church are considered at the Council meetings of the General Conference Executive Committee, when all the members of the Committee are invited to be present. The authority, therefore, of the General Conference Executive Committee is the authority of the world Church.



B 15 General Conference and North American Division Working Policies B 15 05 Authoritative Administrative Voice of the Church—The General Conference Working Policy contains the Constitution and Bylaws of the General Conference, the Mission Statement, and the accumulated or revised policies adopted by General Conference Sessions and Annual Councils of the General Conference Committee. It is, therefore, the authoritative voice of the Church in all matters pertaining to the mission and to the administration of the work of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination in all parts of the world. The North American Division has developed its own working policy which is based on and is in harmony with the General Conference Working Policy.
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The authority, therefore, of the General Conference Executive Committee is the authority of the world Church.



ABORTION APPROVED:

These guidelines were approved and voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council session in Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.


The website I showed is the OFFICIAL SDA WEBSITE. It shows the OFFICIAL
GUIDELINES concerning abortions it is signed by the HIGHEST AUTHORITY IN THE SDA CHURCH.


You know how many SDA protest abortions?


It only took you like one and a half years to get you to say you are against abortion.

Tell us now the GENERAL CONFERENCE of the SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. Is a FALSE CHURCH.


It does not take rocket science to explain ABORTION is MURDER. That official statement from the sda says they support abortion, they have hospitals who still do abortions.


I'm showing you the council session that approved abortion!

 

Now, just a simple question to you Bob. We find here that your General Conference guidelines says that if a woman has been raped or is pregnant as a result of incest that abortion is acceptable. Do you agree with your church on that?????

 

Your comment on this video, please. It has posted on this thread before and you ignored it. Is this young man 'making things up' too?

 

Rob, Hitler was a Catholic, ran an entire country, What he did was against Catholic teaching. A whole courtroom could have voted for abortion even the pope do it himself, that does not change Catholic teaching. Catholic teaching is abortion is wrong.

We are showing it is SDA teaching that abortion is okay.

Abortion was approved by the GC:

These guidelines were approved and voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council session in Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.


The GC is the WHOLE CHURCH of the SDA.

ARTICLE XIII—GENERAL CONFERENCE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE Sec. 1. a. During the intervals between Sessions of the General Conference, the General Conference Executive Committee is delegated the authority to act on behalf of the General Conference in Session. The membership of the General Conference Executive Committee includes representatives of all the divisions of the world field and the presidents of all unions and therefore speaks for the world Church. Major items affecting the world Church are considered at the Council meetings of the General Conference Executive Committee, when all the members of the Committee are invited to be present. The authority, therefore, of the General Conference Executive Committee is the authority of the world Church.


You are trying to point at Catholics to bring them down to your level, Catholics already been there, we are pointing that THE HOLY TEACHING which says abortion is wrong because EVERY HUMAN LIFE is sacred.

 

Actually 93% SDA would vote for abortion like they did in 1992. You are trying to hide the truth by making others look dirty.

We Catholics are #1 Evil I'll agree with that. And there is only room for one evil empire. So we can't have you outshine us by MURDERING CHILDREN via abortion.

 

You didn't watch the whole thing. You presumed like you do with everything else in life.

 

The guidelines that have been posted several times on this thread and others were approved and voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council session in Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.

The website I and others posted is the OFFICIAL SDA WEBSITE. It shows the OFFICIAL
GUIDELINES (postition) concerning abortions. 'It is signed by the HIGHEST AUTHORITY IN THE SDA CHURCH'. You run from these pro-abortion guidelines and say that the official position of your apostate church is the fault of cultural Catholic judges. Your apostate leadership is responsible for it's Moloch worship.and the OFFICIAL GUIDELINES (pro-abortion position) of your 'church' period!!! Can't have a ham-sandwich in your Adventist hospital cafeteria but sure can have a baby killed. Why aren't you confronting your leadership??? I think I know why.

Please address the SDA official statement on abortion. You are very reluctant to do so. Saying they only put their stamp of approval on 'choice' because of cultural Catholics isn't convincing anyone except yourself. There is nothing more I need to know about a denomination other than whether it is pro-choice or not.

 

We can play this game Bob,

Tell us the official SDA website is false and the General Conference is False.


These are written in your SDA constitution.

I can claim myself "28" fundemental beleifs so I am self proclaimed PROPHET of the church. What is official and what is not?

This is why the SDA church is a corporation, You have a official SDA website.
Their constitution states: The membership of the General Conference Executive Committee includes representatives of all the divisions of the world field and the presidents of all unions and therefore speaks for the world Church.


Bob if that is a false SDA website , lets do something about it!

 

All you will get from Bob is blaming cultural Catholic judges for the position CLEARLY state on the OFFICIAL SDA WEBSITE supporting a women's choice to murder her baby. Again, Bob, what is the official position of the SDA in regards to abortion if not what we read with 'our lying eyes'?

Utilyan is right! If that is a made-up site, what are you doing about it?? Surely your church has a clear pro-life statement regarding abortion elsewhere, right? A pro-life position by the Adventist church is attainable by simply empowering the same entity that approved the abortions guidelines to disapprove it. I suspect filthy lucre will prevent that from ever happening. Adventists hospitals 'loves them some abortion!'.

 

Still waiting for that SDA website that states Adventists are pro-life. I did my best to scare one up on the web myself. Nada! Can you help me out, Bob?

 

The following is what Nic Samojluk (SDA) learned about his church. It was the topic of his doctrinal dissertation entitled: 'From Pro-life to Pro-choice: The Dramatic Shift in Seventh-day Adventists Attitudes Towards Abortion.'
'From the moment of its inception the members of the Seventh-day Adventist [SDA] religious denomination portrayed themselves as the apocalyptic Remnant that keeps the commandments of God in the midst of almost universal apostasy. One of those commandments clearly forbids killing, yet abortions are taking place inside SDA operated hospitals, both therapeutic and even elective in some of them, while conflicting statements are made by leading officials of the church, with the current president of the General Conference of the Seventh-day Adventist affirming that the SDA church is pro-life. To elucidate this apparently enigmatic contradiction, the author of this study decided to investigate this incongruous ethical situation, and made the following discoveries:
The early SDA pioneers manifested a most determined opposition to abortion.


The leaders of the church did delegate the decision power dealing with abortion to the ethicists connected with the medical institutions of the church.

Most SDA owned hospitals were providing therapeutic abortion several years before the legalization of abortion.

Fear of revenue loss prompted some SDA hospitals to offer abortion on demand in response to the demands of non-Adventists physicians employed by the church.

One of these church-owned institutions was recently labeled as an “abortion mill” by a leading church official.

When pressed for an official statement by the church back in 1970, Neal Wilson, the president of the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventists at the time predicted that the church would adopt a pro-choice position regarding abortion, and rationalized said practice as a reasonable way to control the world hunger and population.

The official Guidelines on Abortion document voted by the church seems to be a mixture of lofty pro-life statements mingled with pro-choice exceptions that render the apparently pro-life policy meaningless.

Said official Guidelines on Abortion are non-prescriptive in nature, and each SDA institution is free to set their own policies dealing with abortion.

Official church documents call for the protection of human life, but a leading SDA ethicist has declared that the church has decided not to pinpoint when human life begins.

Several of the leading pro-life movers within the SDA church have since left the community in order to pursue their independent ministries. (No Surprise, eh Bob?)

There has been a seemingly dramatic shift in the SDA church’s attitude towards the sanctity of human life immediately prior and following the legalization of abortion by the Supreme Court of theUnited States of America.

The response by Bob Ryan? 'Our church wouldn't be pro-choice if it were not for Catholics!' Apparently, the SDA takes it's cues from cultural Catholics.

 

Salty, according to Ted N.C. Wilson, President, General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, life begins at first breath. "life at conception is just rationalization of the unknown.".

What exactly is unknown, that it is alive, that it is fully human, that it's the beginning of every person's history? Why is it the unanimous conclusion of secular science that every human life begins at conception? Why was it the unanimous theological conclusion of every founding Seventh-day Adventist leader? Why does the church advocate the necessity of prenatal care if life at conception is merely a rationalization of the unknown?

The SDA, of which Bob claims bases ALL their teaching on the bible, elected this man as their General Conference President, so they must be convinced he is competent to lead and speak for the denomination. What more do we need to know about the SDA? Apparently, the SDA is suggesting that John the Baptist may not have been alive when he "leaped for joy"?

More information on the SDA's pro-choice position:

Abortion in Adventism