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I have only seen three that I consider possible. One day I might increase or decrease my list.

 

I claim to trust what Scripture reveals.

I claim to trust what Scripture teaches.

I claim to TRUST what God says is true.

I claim to have a relationship with the Lord, and that He is my teacher.

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I wonder how much the apocryphal book of Enoch has effected Christian thinking, past and present, on this passage?

 

Correct!

Because you say so?

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Rom 1
[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

2Tim.2

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   • [7] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

 

No apology necessary or accepted.

You haven't the power to hurt me in any way, shape or form.

 

i briefly mentioned this in an earlier post--but considering Jude describes 'chained angels' in v 6--then quotes 1 Enoch just a few sentences later [v 14-15]---certainly favors some kind of reference to the 'angelic interpretation of Gen 6' in his letter. But the 1 Enoch [3rd century BC] reference you gave certainly shows the early date for the angelic idea--especially considering the 'Sethite theory' did not exist until the 3rd century AD, with Julius Africanus’ proposal. With all the evidence for the angelic interpretation of Gen 6--I'm not sure how some in this thread can give a 'drive by post' against it; not deal with all the complexities of the passage itself-- & then think they have somehow disproven a very biblical valid understanding of the text.

 

Agree.

Information "introduced", is simply knowledge.
As with in all things; the understanding of the knowledge comes later.
It is a fool, who opens a book. Reads the introduction page, and thinks he has gained the knowledge and understanding whole of the book.

It is a fool, who thinks the first to the last page of the Bible is all there is to know or understand.

Information / knowledge has been introduced To mankind, Since mankind was created.
Throughout history, men have wondered, challenged, believed, not believed, philosophized, tried to logically conclude....
WHAT the understanding of the knowledge revealed MEANS.

It is what men through-out history, were concluding, with their minds thoughts, that reveals what men through-out history have thought and believed.

Scripture is clear. Some knowledge was given in the beginning, and increased over time. And for the most part the UNDERSTANDING thereof, was kept....Secret...Covered....Not given.....TO...but a few whom God had chosen, for Him to GIVE His understanding.

Scripture is clear. The KNOWLEDGE, was commanded to be written, kept, protected, preached in the ears of the people, of those who had been given the knowledge. (those now fondly called, Fathers and Saints).

Scripture is clear. Since Christ the Lord Jesus' arrival on earth; The KNOWLEDGE, it was commanded, to be sent out into all the world. AND - the BIG NEWS is..... the UNDERSTANDING of the knowledge.....HAS BEEN uncovered, revealed, open, readily available FOR ALL ...... WHO? ........ ALL WHO TRUST and BELIEVE in the LORD ..... AND SEEK ....
the knowledge thereof, the understanding thereof, the wisdom thereof.

Scripture is clear. NOT everything IS written in ink on paper. Even all Jesus taught His Disciples was NOT written.

Scripture is clear.
Jesus IS the Life. Jesus IS the Word. Jesus IS the Truth. Christ IS the Spirit. Christ IS the Wisdom. Christ IS the Power.
Jesus Christ IS the Lord of Lords!

Scripture is clear. Christ Jesus the Lord, is the TEACHER and GIVER.
He is the GIVER of Life, of the Word, of Truth, of Spirit, of Knowledge, of Wisdom, of Understanding.

Scripture is clear. ^ THAT continues, FOR ANYONE "who" TRUSTS to BELIEVE, submits in faithfulness, AND SEEKS what He desires a man to have.

 

sons of God.....witnessing, and shouting for joy........while the world was being created.

Funny thing.....a man who, believes, "sons of God", only applies to mankind, would mean; it was mankind that was created, before the world, and observed God creating the world. LOL

Job 38

[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

If one does not KNOW, HOW or WHY or WHO or WHEN, one is called, a "son of God".....
they are ignorant of the understanding, and NOT prepared or qualified to teach on the subject.

Be aware; there is a reason God gave man TWO ears and only ONE mouth!

 

There is, it is logically necessary to have a place on both sides of the body to take in information and only one side is needed to communicate effectively. Other than that your idea makes a nice bumper sticker but has no value or evidence.

 

Logic? Logic is the result of weighing between options, based on the information you have and trust.

Logic? That is well suited for a CARNAL mind.

However Scripture teaches Jesus IS the TRUTH.

TRUTH requires no logic, or weighing. You simply BELIEVE IT, or YOU don't.

Truth? That is well suited for a PURE heart.

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No argument made by anyone on this board in all the years I have been here has better made my own argument than this one. I am sitting here laughing. This has got to be one of the most ignorant statements made on this board.

 

Denying the humanity of Jesus is NOT way behind me, its being in heresy!

 

Seems that would be dependent upon who has read the book of Enoch.

Have you read it?
Did it influence you?

I can't speak to that, since I have not read it.

 

If our Savior were not human we are all lost.

This is how you know the Spirit of God:
Every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God
But every spirit that does not confess is not from God.
This is the spirit of the antichrist; you have heard that he is coming, and he is already in the world now.
1 John 4:2-3
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Rob

 

He seems to hold to having special revelation right from God, as he denies the trinity, and denies that Jesus was even human!

 

No, I have not read it, except bits and pieces regarding this subject in Genesis 6. It did not influence me, except to influence me to think a lot of what is called the Book of Enoch is pretty wacky. I would say, though, that a person who has not read it could be influenced indirectly through those who have. It is not unusual to see the Book of Enoch referenced by those writing about Jude's letter and Genesis 6.

The Book of Enoch demonstrates that the angels' view existed by that time or was created by its author. Other sources, maybe only slightly later, refer to it as well -- for example, the Targum Jonathan and the Genesis Apocryphon.

On the other hand, there are other pre-New Testament era records that refer to these as men rather than angels, using terms such as sons of the mighty, sons of the rulers and sons of Judges -- e.g. Targum Onkelos and Targum Neofiti. [There is supposed to be a translation of Targum Neofiti HERE. Either Genesis 6 hasn't been added or I don't know how to navigate the site.] These expressions probably better support what might be called the Despotic or Divine Rulers view rather than the Sethite view.

None of this proves much, other than historically at least two views of Genesis Chapter Six pre-dated New Testament times.

 

Bible calls Him God and Man, the man Christ Jesus, you deny that, deny his humanity, that would be a heresy!