Luke 18 .
31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
this Is after they have been 'preaching the gosepl ' which gosepl ? 1 Cor 15 ? which is needed to be believed to be saved . Notice they did not understand the death burial and resurrection. The very thing which is necessary for salvation . Peter is literally chopping off an ear to prevent the very thing that can redeem the world. Oh yeah they were preaching the same message . of course not..Even after the crucifixion The diciples have no clue what's going on . And your telling me they were preaching the death burial and resurrection lol ??
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Do you think the disciples, at that time, understood the covenants all revolved around the promised one who would save from every nation, tribe and tongue? -
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Acts 1.16
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? -
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Is God held in time? In other words, does time hold power over God?
For you, things are happening sequentially. For God, everything is happening all at once. He sees it all happening before His very eyes. The beginning of time and the end of time and all else is happening at once. Therefore, your idea that there are ages where God does things differently, does not apply to God. The age theory is a philosophical human construct of semi-pelagian theologians from the late 19th century. God's covenants with mankind are clearly found in scripture.
From before the foundations of the world, God chose whom he would adopt. That is because God sees all things happening at once. God always saved by grace, through faith. The law served as a mechanism to show humans how flawed they were and how much they needed redemption. Each person who was saved in the OT, was saved the same way you and I are saved. S/he was saved by grace, through faith.
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12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh-- 13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with [Him] so that we may also be glorified with [Him.] [Romans 8:12-17 NASB]
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. [Romans 8:12-17 KJV]
12 Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. 13 For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live. 14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. 15 So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received God's Spirit when he adopted you as his own children. Now we call him, "Abba, Father." 16 For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God's children. 17 And since we are his children, we are his heirs. In fact, together with Christ we are heirs of God's glory. But if we are to share his glory, we must also share his suffering. [Romans 8:12-17 NLT] -
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