Not about grapes but natural yeast.
In Maine there are many cider mills because there are many apple trees.
Every year we would collect several bushels of apples (our mill required a minimum of 6) and have them rendered for cider with space enough for freezing. The service and plastic containers cost 25 cents per gallon (n the 80's,90's).
I remember usually getting 20-30 gallons per year.
They went in a second freezer until the temperature was less than 32 F. then they went out to a shed.
On our heated porch I would put 2 gallons (no yeast or anything else added) which would foam away and then turn clear resulting in hard cider - maybe 5% alcohol, depends on the sugar content for any given year.
HankD
The word wine does not mean alcoholic always.
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jordan Kurecki, Jan 28, 2017.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Isa 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
Isa 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
Isa 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!
Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Isa 56:12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and] much more abundant. -
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That was enough exposure to the air I would think.
My cousin and I would help and watch and I don't remember him adding any yeast (but he might have).
The barrel had a loose and removable cover to keep out flies.
I think it was spring when he began the bottling process.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Here is an excellent link showing how grape juice was preserved from fermentation in the time of Christ:
http://www.johnhamelministries.org/wine_lie_Jesus.htm.
Look down about 3/4 of the page to where the evidence of Columella, a 1st century agriculturist, is discussed. -
Also (by serendipity) when studying the Hypostatic Union for a paper, I found an article saying that in bible times grape juice was occasionally boiled down in a metal vessel to a very thick substance called hupostasis and used as a kind of jelly or mixed with clean water from a pure well to make reconstituted non-alcoholic grape juice for immediate consumption.
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Pr 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Pr 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man: he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich.
Pr. 23:29-35 29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. 32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. 33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. 34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. 35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.
Pr 31:4-7 4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: 5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. 6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. 7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. -
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Furthermore, the priests were commanded not to drink any wine whatsoever (Lev. 10:9-10). In that passage, wine and strong drink are called unholy. So just go ahead and drink your unholy hard cider, putting it into the temple of the Holy Spirit. And forget about the Baptist doctrine of the priesthood of the believer. :confused: -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Most of the "historical facts" floating around come from perversion of the real historical context for those so-called facts (Like Patton's book).
Wilson is a non-drinker but a classical scholar and he places the quotations used by others back into their proper context. -
John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
As it stands, Jordan's OP is correct. The Greek oinos can mean either fermented or unfermented liquid from grapes. -
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Buzzed is drunk
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I agree with JoJ and usually don't get involved with these discussions about alcohol.
It doesn't matter what I - a man - believes about consuming alcohol.
What if I am wrong and cause you to stumble.
If you yourself have a a doubt or feel any guilt at all about drinking alcoholic beverages - DON'T do it.
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
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